• originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    232
    ·
    4 months ago

    Foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova accused Kyiv of “intimidating the peaceful population of Russia”

    do you get to claim that when your country instigates a full-on war?

  • Empricorn@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    95
    ·
    4 months ago

    Imagine if Prigozhin had waited until now for his ill-fated push to the Kremlin…

    • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      40
      ·
      4 months ago

      As I recall, he called it off after the Kremlin walked back whatever policy it was that pissed him off.

      • fluxion@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        40
        ·
        4 months ago

        I seem to recall that arresting Gerasimov during a visit to Rostov-on-Don was part if the plan, and one of the generals next in line was friendly to Wagner so it would’ve created division in the ranks. But Shoigu got tipped off, the general backed out, and Prigozhin eventually realized without military backing he’d eventually lose

      • Empricorn@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        32
        ·
        4 months ago

        As they say in Breaking Bad: no half-measures. It got him murdered anyway, he should have gone all the way with a coup…

    • tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      4 months ago

      Seriously the media needs to use more words like these… “Penetration” , “Thrusting into” , "etc …

      It would just grate on 'ol Pootie so nicely.

      • Agent641@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        Ukraine thrusts deep into Russia as Russia pushes back gently, but while whimpering quietly. Ukraine pulls russias hair and leans in close, whispering “take it all, whore”

    • Wrench@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      25
      ·
      4 months ago

      I mean, Ukraine does not have the ability to hold anything or do a sustained push. It would be foolish to try.

      Going in, destroying supplies and infrastructure, and then leaving is the smart move unless there are good choke points to hold.

      • jonne@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        4 months ago

        Yeah, I hope that’s the plan, otherwise they’ll just lose everyone they sent over there. Go in, destroy a bunch of stuff and leave is the smart plan. It’ll force Russia to keep substantial amounts of troops in Russia to avoid a repeat, shows they’re weak and boosts morale in Ukraine.

      • JesusSon@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        4 months ago

        Obviously, they can’t go all the way to Moscow but Kursk or bust doesn’t have the same ring to it.

  • Serinus@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    67
    ·
    4 months ago

    Guys, guys, guys. I know a surefire way to get Ukrainian troops out of Russia immediately. Putin, call me.

    • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Little more time and a little more progress, Ukraine will sort that call out to their own.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      4 months ago

      It looks like they’re actually telling the truth this time. For the record Kursk is 80km from the border. If the Ukrainians even manage to touch Kursk it’ll be a big deal. So the Kremlin is probably trying to buy a little credibility so they can deny that as long as possible.

  • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    September 22 starts Fall. Winter is coming.

    Tell them not to get stuck in Russia. I hear it’s bad strategy.

    • Bonifratz@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      4 months ago

      I know this applies to the French and to Germans, but does the rule hold for Ukrainians?

    • Cethin@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      4 months ago

      My understanding is the Ukrainians do very well on defense. Pushing into Russia forces Russia to attack them, even in the winter. Otherwise they’d stop the attack until spring/summer. If they let Ukraine hold this ground until then though that’s a huge loss for Russian PR at least. Ukraine probably won’t attack in the winter, which is the issue, but Russia will probably be forced to.

  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    The deeper they get, I imagine the more ammunition stashes they’ll pass. I wonder how much they’ve been able to claim.

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      4 months ago

      I would assume not much, it’s an incursion. Meaning they don’t have the infrastructure to ship it back. If they find any caches, they probably would take what they can use quickly, and destroy the rest.

      • khannie@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        4 months ago

        That all makes sense. I saw today they have captured at least one tank which is nice.

        They’ve penetrated two prepared defence lines which they may want to hunker down in later so shipping ammo back to those would be less hassle.

        There’s some talk of them potentially holding that gas plant to force Russia to destroy it to dislodge them too, cutting off gas to Hungary while making Russia the one that does it. Muuuaahahaha.

        The whole thing is fascinating. Really looking forward to the Perun video on it which will hopefully be next week.

        • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          4 months ago

          That would be fucking awesome.

          Of course the narrative will be ‘Ukraine forced our hand.’ but everyone, of course, will know better.

          Actually, I hadn’t thought about that aspect of the incursion. They can potentially disrupt a large amount facilities that give them the remaining export abilities they still have.

  • Kadaj21@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    4 months ago

    This isn’t the meme where mist of the guard have gone to fight “over there” and so left like two guards for the place is it? Be funny if it was.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      4 months ago

      Once you get passed the line of defense, very little stops you from traveling inland except how much road you have in front of you.

      That said, this sounds more and more like a suicide mission. No way they’ve got 30km of supply lines to support this advance, and its just a matter of time before they’re encircled.

      • count_dongulus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        4 months ago

        That’s like…a short drive. In a supply convoy going over rough terrain looking out for drones, maybe a couple hours.