Headline slightly sensationalised compared to article content. But he did say he’d go to Venezuela if he loses.
Alternative headline “Donald trump lies again”
Maybe if we’re lucky a bunch of his stupid base will emigrate there early thinking they’ll be able to setup for him.
Jim Jones 2.0?
Maybe not. Historically Venezuela has not extradited criminals.
The mob speak is insane, but in reality, would this be grounds to revoke any bail/bonds he’s currently on?
When you’re rich, they let you do it.
“Oh don’t worry, he’s just on vacation and/or has business there, he’ll come back (after he sold other hidden US top secret information)”
They give you your ex best friend’s plane to ride away in
Is Trump actually rich though?
Yes
Like billionaire rich? Only since truth social went public.
Yeah, everyone is saying this is him saying he’s going to bail, and yeah I agree but I also read more into it. I saw it as a signal to his base that they have “a plan” to retreat and re-strategize or whatever. Why would he just give up and live quietly in Venezuela? If this dude loses, he will make Kamala’s life a living hell.
And I bet there are Americans willing to follow him there (good riddance tbh).
Venezuela is an odd choice, considering most of his kind have historically fled to Argentina.
He… probably doesn’t know the difference at this point…
Also, Milei is the same kind of crazy he is, wheras he’s been shitting on Maduro and Vz forever.
You’re right, and he probably thought he was saying Argentina.
He’s been shitting on Maduro, but aren’t his tariffs a large part of why Maduro is in power? IIRC, his tariffs basically allowed Maduro to consolidate money and power.
That’s very true
In 2022, it was reported that Vladimir Putin and his top leadership were developing a backup plan to flee to Venezuela if Russia were defeated in Ukraine.
Like a dog. Right to his masters lap, I see.
I don’t disagree with the analogy, but Trump compares people negatively to dogs so often (and famously hates dogs) that I’m not a big fan of it.
Plus, we don’t deserve dogs. They love unconditionally and are extremely loyal if treated right.
I’d say, “Like pond scum. He is going right to the lowest and grossest point of a lake.”
I agree. I would be honored to be compared to a dog. I’d wear that comparison with pride.
Uh, I like this one.
Wow. Hates dogs?!
I love dogs. See it as the one and only positive thing I can say about him. He seems loyal to at least Putin. Who in turn is a dog person himself. Shit, you made me say something good about Putin too. Thanks a lot.
Won’t go to China and be a puppet they can parade around.
Iran, North Korea, Syria, and Cuba would suck for lifestyle and stability.
Brazil has a chance of maybe later changing their minds and wanting them gone.
What an amazing list of allies to turn to. And after all of them thinking Venezuela is the best bet for not ending up like Gaddafi.
Very smart to say this publicly just a couple months before sentencing for 34 felony convictions.
5 weeks until sentencing. In theory
Openly staying that he is going to flee the country… With ongoing court cases. Time to revoke that passport
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Not trump, that sentence was too coherent
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But he did say he’d go to Venezuela if he loses.
He did not.
As I explained earlier today, he was commenting about crime decreasing around the world and, if Kamala were elected, it would be safer to meet the person he was speaking with in Venezuela than in the United States.
“If something happens with this election, which would be a horror show, we’ll meet the next time in Venezuela, because it’ll be a far safer place to meet than our country,” Trump said to Musk.
#“OK, so we’ll go. You and I will go, and we’ll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela.”
Cut this shit out, dude. He said it.
Doesn’t sound like fleeing, sounds they are are going to have dinner.
*in another country *if he loses the election
That’s fleeing.
I don’t know how you’ve twisted your brain in a fashion that makes apples look like pencils.
You and the media are misquoting him as saying he is going to flee the country, possibly to avoid criminal prosecution.
He is literally saying it would be safer to have a meeting in another country due to decreased criminal activity and the threat of a Harris presidency.
There’s a valid conversation to have around his statement. We could be discussing the crime rates in the US compared to Venezuela and the rest of the world. We could be looking at Harris’ record as a prosecutor and her political agenda to this point. We could easily be debunking what he’s saying to pile on more evidence that he’s a liar. Instead, the public wants to go on and on about something he actually never said or even hinted at.
Moreover, what my concern here is, the public’s ability to read comprehensively is deteriorating at a rapid pace. People are disinterested in taking the time to read an article and obtain true facts in preference of engaging with others over their feelings.
Having genuine dialog with others is more about listening than it is interrupting them and spewing your ideas. Everyone’s reading a headline and reacting without taking the time to listen to the story, digest its meaning, consider other factors and context, then responding in a meaningful, relevant manner.
I’m personally observing a world that’s becoming less interested in having real relationships. People are struggling to interact with others in real life. Ragebait is just one value in a larger more complex experience that’s changing our relationships and our reality.
There’s a lot of noise in our lives today. Most of it serves as a distraction. It’s the constant churning of the “news” and the endless instant streaming of “content” and the pings and buzzing of our devices. If it hasn’t already, this noise is becoming an addiction. Without noise, we’d be faced with calmness and focused attention.
Trump is noise. It’s noise crated by him and his brand and the media organizations and influencers pining for your attention and engagement. This story is a fabrication. The story about him slurring during the interview is a misleading observation. It’s a money maker for content creators because we need noise. Musk saying there was a DDOS attack is a lie and a distraction. It’s the noises he’s injecting into the zeitgeist to pull our attention away from something else.
We all need to be better at reading comprehension and listening. Take a moment to understand what it is you’re commenting on before you just become more noise and a cookie jar for advertisers.
You claimed he never made plans to leave the country, so I posted his exact quote where he makes plans to leave the country and now you’re claiming I’m misquoting him?
He’s a convicted felon who has yet to be sentenced making plans to leave the country. Why didn’t you mention that in your list of other factors and context we could be talking about?
Your quote was taken out of context. If you listen to the segment I’m commenting on here, it’s very apparent he’s not speaking about “leaving the country” but about crime rates. And as I said in the other thread, I’m only commenting on the short clip that I’m hearing. There may in fact be more context that pushes his words one way or another.
… and again I told you their crime rates all over the world are going way down which makes sense. Cause actually, and next time what we’ll do, if something happens with this election, which would be a horror show, we’ll meet the next time in Venezuela cause it’ll be a far safer place to meet than our country. Ok so we’ll go, you and I will go and we’ll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela, because that’s what’s happening…
So yes, I’ll concede he is making plans to leave the country to have a meeting and dinner date in another country. If’s that’s the semantics you want to focus on, I’ll concede. The reason for him leaving the country, in the context of this conversation and the larger point he’s trying to make, is about safety and crime.
What I would infer from this is he’s pushing a false narrative about the “radical left’s agenda” to allow crime rates to go uncontrolled. I also wouldn’t take it as fact that he intends to go to Venezuela nor that he truly believes Venezuela is safer than the US. He’s being hyperbolic using a hypothetical. Which is totally on brand for him.
You admit he’s a liar, and that he’s making plans on leaving the country so why trust him when he says WHY he says he’s making those plans? Again, he’s a convicted felon who has yet to be sentenced. For being a stickler on ‘context’, you seem to be ignoring that part.
Also, are you going to edit your initial comment to admit that he did make plans to leave the country now that you conceded he did?
It’s evident that your mind is made up. You’ve chosen to reject reality in favor of your hopes and your feelings. Something must be true because you want it to be true. While I also want it to be true, I prioritize reality to inform my observations.
It’s painful to observe our comprehension of reality melting away for the benefit of the media and corporations and fascist-wannabes. They know people just see and feel what they want as long as it generates something other than nothing. I genuinely hope you’ll find a way to disconnect yourself from the twisted reality you subscribe to.
Actually, I had considered editing my comment to reflect the fact that he did not make plans to leave. It’s a hypothetical situation based on something that hasn’t happened. How you’re unable to discern that is too much for my mind to handle right now.
So yes, I’ll concede he is making plans to leave the country
I had considered editing my comment to reflect the fact that he did not make plans to leave.
You don’t get to have it both ways. How you’re unable to discern that is too much for my brain. Have a good day.
Underrated comment
Evidently many Lemmy users don’t understand that this a threat, not a promise to leave. Direct quote from Trump:
“If something happens with this election, which would be a horror show, we’ll meet the next time in Venezuela, because it’ll be a far safer place to meet than our country,” Trump said to Musk. “OK, so we’ll go. You and I will go, and we’ll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela.”
He’s implying the violence that will be unleashed on the US by his followers if he looses will make Venezuela (a country that is currently in revolt because of contested elections) seem safe in comparison to what his people will do here.
This is a classic “mobster” threat against anyone who opposes him that he just threw out.
I remember when the protests and people upset at the 2016 election were somehow ultra violent and murderous even though they never attacked anyone. I also remember when Charlie Kirk claimed that Republicans, unlike democrats, would not lose their shit if they lost. We all know how that went.
You need to remember something about Trump. He IS mobster in the end of the day. When he and his father were getting shit done at the start of his career they had to work with the mafia and build contacts with them. This is also why he was somewhat able to get stuff working in New York construction during the 80s. When he became a pariah the only people who still worked with him are basically criminal types and foreign governments who knew how easy it was to sway him.
That fucking mobster threat is his calling card. I received a trump email that was about voting and at the very bottom it had that sleeping with the fishes quote. Straight up didn’t fit at all but they shoe horned it in there to try and scare people into voting for him.
Or he’s saying that America under Kamala Harris will be so bad that it won’t be safe because of “open boarders” and whatever other bullshit he spouts.
Evil commie Venezuela (as Republicans keep painting it)? Is that really the angle he’s going for?
It was in the midst of claiming Venezuela dumped all of its criminals in the US. In Trump’s view Venezuela is safer than the US since America let all the Venezuelan criminals in through that open border.
Yeah, but imagine if it were the 60s and that claim was being made about the USSR, that it’s safer than the US because all the criminals were sent to America, so he’s going to go to the USSR if he loses.
The Republicans are still stuck in “we hate commies” mode. So this is a very weird thing for Trump to say.
So in other words, it’s business as usual then lol
It’s really just balancing the criminal deficit to send them a 34x convicted criminal.
Venezuela is an ally of Russia.
Venezuela is an authoritarian state (for the moment).
Venezuela is thus perfect for Trump.
It all makes more sense when you realize these people don’t know what ‘communism’ or ‘socialism’ are. It’s just an alternative word for ‘bad’ to them. I once heard a Republican blame companies raising gas prices at the pump on ‘socialism’.
Venezuela? that’s an odd choice. He’s distracting us from his Russian emigration plans
Y venezuela no es que va a estar favorable a trump por mucho tiempo
Wouldn’t that be a violation of his release following being convicted of 34 felonies?
We can make an exception for exile, it’s a fun tradition.
Yeah, leaving could be easy. Coming home on the other hand…
Am I allowed to volunteer to be exiled?
Sounds like he’s a flight risk.
Show us you mean it by fleeing there now. Then stay there to really get the message across.
“The United States isn’t sending their best. They’re sending rapists, they’re criminals…”
I know he intended this as hyperbole but I 100% would not be surprised if the reason this popped into his head is because he’s been making arrangements for exactly this.
If I were him I wouldn’t want to hang around in the US after a loss in November. It’s all or bust.
He’ll have some trouble if he actually tries. Secret service detail for former presidents and all.
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