Gee, I wonder what the solution will be if other countries wont take our undesirables.
War?
I for one am a bit interested with what happens when they target natives?
Candy canes and free showers.
To declare a “National Emergency”, he probably needs a cause. How does American law deal with those “National Emergency” situations? Does he need some proof? Does he need confirmation from somewhere?
Please deport me harder orange man.
Genocide Joe continued Trump’s attacks on refugees, so now Trump feels like he has to go even harder.
I’d say that the Overton Window is certainly weaponized by the right-wing.
Careful don’t trigger the libs!
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Im a woman. If the democrats gave a fuck about women well they’ve had FIFTY MOTHERFUCKING YEARS to codify roe but cynically fundraised off it instead.
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Wow triggered incel much?
Everybody look at the lib! Scratch them and they’re fascist!
I voted third party you fuck.
Well at least we’re getting close to a somewhat interesting dystopia. /s
He’s not going to succeed at his goals unless he essentially suspends the constitution. Which I wouldn’t put past him necessarily but for now these headlines are pretty sensational.
Everybody is protected by the fifth amendment regardless of citizenship status or if they are here “legally” or not. We’re all entitled to due process and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure so long as we’re standing on American soil. Running after families just minding their business and demanding papers please is far fetched. Going after already established criminals however is a lot easier and low hanging fruit. And I’m not talking about people who’s only crime is being here illegally, I’m talking about people who are that + another crime. And sorry but I don’t feel sympathy for those people who make life harder for everyone else…
Even if they do go after everyone they don’t have the infrastructure in place to process people. The highest deportations happened under Obama (take that, hysterical pissing in their pants liberals) at 230k a year and the system was barely functioning and is further backlogged now than ever. How the fuck is trump gonna manage to deport a million a year?
He’s full of hot air. Hell deport criminals and claim a win.
I would be honestly less concerned if I thought the administration would be successful in deporting people. I think you’re relying heavily on “due process” here, when the reality is they can just accuse you of a crime, deny you bail, and then hold you pretty much indefinitely. You let the ones who can get lawyers out and you’ve pretty effectively filtered the population for wealth.
The Nazi death camps started as temporary internment camps with the intent to deport Jews eventually.
Then they just ended up with a whole bunch of people in camps with nowhere to send them and were like, “well, we might as well get some work out of some and kill the rest” and it sort of escalated from there.
Which with their “camps for the mentally ill, homeless, and drug addicted” and “deportation emergency” sounds alarmingly similar.
First sentence: unless he suspends the constitution
I’m not saying the rhetoric isn’t concerning, I’m saying he doesn’t have the machine set up to make it happen. Could it happen? Absolutely.
Dear, dear. What has the world come to?
Are they calling this the final solution? /s
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Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
I know that feel. Worst part is that probably will happen to us
Being from austin and listening to him on the radio way back while driving occasionally yea I member
With conservatives every accusation is just projection
Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.
I successfully ghosted mine to the point that they probably think I am dead.
Also moved many hundreds of miles away lol.
You read well enough to create a chosen family. Best of luck!
All in due time, thanks for the well wishes =D
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I don’t remember that actually. I’m not saying he didn’t say those things. I’m just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.
I remember that. He would usually say martial law. I think national emergencies are different and invoked more often by both Dems and GOP. Could be wrong
I guess if it was just illegal immigrants then it wouldn’t be Americans, so it wouldn’t be what they feared. But very close.
Drive through rural America and see how many underpopulated small towns there are. Shuttered businesses for lack of customers. Abandoned buildings. These places need people.
It’s kind of wild to me how many really small towns there are in the US. About 32% of towns in the U.S. have less than 500 residents.
For comparison, here in Brazil I lived most of my life in a town with ~35K residents and it was already considered a small rural town. Some of my family lives in a neighboring town with ~11K residents, and even in my hometown people joke about how small it is, and that there’s basically nothing going on there. 1288 of towns in Brazil have less than 5K residents, or about 23.1%, and there are no towns with less than 500 residents. Meanwhile in the US 76% of towns have less than 5K residents.
Again, it’s just kind of wild to me. I remember playing (reading?) the Echo VN and thinking “Man, a dying town with only 50 people? That doesn’t sound realistic,” but apparently that’s way more common than I thought.
My slightly educated guess would be that’s a consequence of America’s race westward in the 1800’s, only stopping long enough to annihilate the indigenous population and set up a rest stop for the next batch.
Railroads played big role. Trains needed more water or coal to run the engine. So every 15 to 20 miles or so, depending on terrain, a water depot was erected, and there a new town popped up. Some survived. Some didnt. Few are thriving. Just pull up a map and follow a rail line in the great plains region of the usa. Then just measure it out. Its impossible to miss once you notice it.
The same thing happened again when they built the interstates. Pixar made a documentary about it with talking cars.
It’s more modern than that. I don’t have time to look for stats, but I believe there’s been general migration to cities for like half a century or more
Of course, but I’m talking about why all these little towns existed in the first place. It’s not like they were all bustling metropolises before everyone left. ;)
A lot were busy manufacturing, mining, or farming towns.
The mines run out or become unprofitable.
The manufacturing has largely moved to out of the states, or been automated.
And big farms and grocery stores have squeezed independent farmers out of everywhere but the farmers markets near rich cities.
The stereotype is always a coal mining town. There used to be a mine employing many people, but now it’s automated or the mine played out
The town I grew up in was a bustling town with one dominant employer. When that employer moved out it left a big gap and an entire generation of younger people moved away
The town my father grew up in was never bustling. However it was a significant center of a rural area with many family farms. By the time I was growing up, those farms were no longer economical, so people moved away and there’s no need for a population center
A small town I used to visit all the time was once a bustling tourist town, but no one goes there anymore. It’s really just regional now, instead of the busy season drawing people from anywhere between Montreal and NYC. It’s probably cheap flying as much as anything else: who wants to vacation on a cold beach when you can hop a flight down south for the same cost
Bingo, the town I went to school in had barely 500 people when the school which had taken over for two other closed schools kids. It’s even less now. My grade was the largest at 32 kids too. There were former “towns” dotted all over from the rush west where train tracks used to be. All gone now and just somewhere used for cow shelter in the winter. These towns were simply stops for railroad cars to result water on the route west. Once that wasn’t needed the slow march to 0 began. My nearest non family member was over 7 miles away. There is a lot of interior USA that is really sparsely populated and is really just returning to pre colonial eras of mainly giant farmland or grazing pastures.
Precolonial big ag? What on earth are you talking about?
Population sizes in pre colonial times.
We also have “towns” that are insufficient in size and unlisted or are under another towns “address”. A town near me has less than 1000 people and that includes the towns under it that are 3-5mi apart.
One of my friends lives in what used to be considered a town. Currently it has a population of like 10 people 4 of which are their family and another is one of their roommates. It is now part of the nearest town about 20 miles away and makes for some logistical novelties like mail delivery and school bus routes
Funny thing is that even the immigrants are smart enough to know the shouldn’t settle in these places because they’re going down the toilet. But the locals? We’re being ignored! Save our useless town with no economic prospects, no educated workforce, and no infrastructure to support anything worthwhile! No, of course we won’t move!. …while they proceed to vote against any social policy that might help them or their future generations out of their trap.
No, of course we won’t move
Try “Can’t”
I don’t know why you city slickers think packing up all your shit and moving into a new house in a new town is free, but it isn’t. We ARE being ignored, worse than that, we’re being left to die.
You wanna get me outta the ruins of farmland? Send a bus to pick me up, make sure there’s a two month paid in advance hotel waiting for me when I get there, and have me a job waiting.
Fwiw (I sure hope this is not an empty platitude), as a trans woman who’d love to be able to feel safe outside of cities in blue states, who very much knows and experienced that it’s not free:
You’re absolutely right.
I read this back early 2016, been reeling from it ever since: https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/
We have been divided by the american mythos of “pinko city slicker vs rugged indvidualist rednecks” and the truth is it’s all so the boss can take the whole plate of cookies, while scapegoating your brown/queer/whatever co-worker “He’s gonna eat your cookie”
I refuse, at least for my inner child anyway, to surrender the love I have for my fellow common person, regardless of where you’re from. Sweeping generalization.
There’s lots of blame to go around. Big Pharma, Politicians, the way in which the midwest and south’s entire economies that were always built on the idea of very high capital using extractive methods to get resources out of the land either cotton or mining or oil or water or agri business, those economies always depend on a few people with a lot of money, and then a whole bunch of people who are poor.
I blame them, not you. I see you. We are not alone. There has got to be a better way.
Yeah. I get that. I’m actually super aware of the difficulty in upending your life and spending years making shit money with the hope it will get better. I’ve done it.
But seeing as you “country bumpkins” (are we really doing lousy stereotypes?) constantly tell others to pick themselves up by their bootstraps while undercutting social programs as well I figure it was fair game. Y’know, the same people working jobs that minimum wage hasn’t kept up with for more than a decade but keep getting told those jobs aren’t supposed to support a living. No, of course you won’t move. No, you don’t want anything that might change the situation either. No, you won’t take advantage of loans or other assistance and upend your life to make a major change, because doing that sucks and is risky. But that thought process never applies to other people. Crabs in a bucket. Just reinstate some magical yesteryear that in reality pretty much sucked just as bad except for the part where mom still made dinners for you. Your comment is in a nutshell all of this. We won’t change, and fuck those fictional guys over there for taking advantage of a system that doesn’t actually exist.
I’m actually in a blue county, rural blue areas exist. We know the Republicans wanna eat us, but we wanna know why the Democrats aren’t doing anything outside of barely keeping the wolves at bay.
We’re not dumb, we know the Republicans will end social programs keeping us alive, but we all see the writing on the wall. We know that we will die here.
I find it hard to disagree with anything you said. Having lived in towns small enough to make someone say “There’s a town here?” That is definitely the case.
But the rural parts are also extremely unwelcoming. I have a remote job and those places are typically beautiful and cheap. But it’s Trump country where everyone hates people of color, lgbtq, people of no religion, and anyone different. New money could be injected there plenty by the openness of digital work, but who wants to go be surrounded by hate and Trump supporters?
Sorry, not generalizing about you specifically, but the areas for sure.
This is why I want to move out to the country to not have to interact with anyone. Acres of land and not another soul in sight is the way.
I actually live in a Blue County…
I mean, I did too, but Texas was so batshit being in a blue county didn’t help much.
Tack on the attempts to maintain high/high quality amenities in sparsely populated, low tax revenue areas, and you have a nice fat deficit for your small town compounding that problem.
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Don’t worry. This isn’t the only Trump plan that will tank the economy. I just wish the rest of us didn’t have to suffer because of all those idiots not paying attention.
The east coast is densely populated. California and large areas of the west coast is densely populated.
But Ohio to the Rockies? Uhhhh…there’s corn. We got corn. Do you like corn?
Yeah. There’s a reason nobody can name anything in Nebraska. Nobodys ever been there. Not even sure they have corn there.
I’m from Iowa and have been through Nebraska (no one stops in Nebraska) and I’m here to report: yes, they do have corn there.
The east coast has more big cities than those other places, but there are still. HUGE number of teeny-tiny dying towns all up and down the eastern seaboard.
You can find these places less than a hundred miles from NYC. Just drive to Scranton, go south on I-81, and get off at any exit.
Yeah but they don’t want those people. Now who are those people they don’t want? Brown people, black people, queer people, woke people, educated people, different people…
Do the immigrants actually settle there?
Yes, or nearby. They’re the ones working the farms.
We tried this before and it sucked then, too.
For whom? The people being deported? Or for the overall effectiveness of the plan?
I’m pretty sure there was a damaging mass deportation during the Great Depression that deported mostly american citizens to Mexico.
Operation Wetback. Yes, that’s what they called it
The Dark Ages truly are still here
Operation Wetback?
Well see ya later, Melania
Maybe that’s his plan. He doesn’t like the prenup and wants to marry that ghoul Loomer so he’s doing this to get her deported and the marriage annulled. Then he’ll use government money to put on a huge wedding and try to have a baby immediately. Everyone knows if you’re president when you have a kid the government is on the hook for support. Unlimited money!!!
It’s 12-D chess!!!1!
I seriously doubt Diaper Don even knows the rules to regular chess.
Spoken like a person who doesn’t even know how to get their kid unlimited money. You’re just mad that you can’t marry that perfect ball of plastic surgery and hatred.
I checked and it seems the one during Great Depression where it was 60% American was a different operation. Operation Wetback was 1954 and it says “some US citizens were deported” but doesn’t give numbers or percentages. For the Great Depression one it says
According to historian Francisco Balderrama, the U.S. deported over 1 million Mexican nationals, 60 percent of whom were U.S. citizens of Mexican descent, during the 1930s.
I must have mixed them up. Thanks
The program became a contentious issue in Mexico–United States relations, even though it originated from a request by the Mexican government to stop the illegal entry of Mexican laborers into the United States.
Huh
it also happened a lot before operation wetback.
Correct, in the 1930s, I saw someone post about it recently. I don’t know the motivation then, but the tactic will be used this time to target any group. Maybe even used for “other activities” when deportation becomes logistically difficult.
According to historian Francisco Balderrama, the U.S. deported over 1 million Mexican nationals, 60 percent of whom were U.S. citizens of Mexican descent, during the 1930s.
Well that went well
I feel like to the people doing the deporting this time, they wouldn’t care. The point is to be damaging.
Both.
The Wilson/Coolidge Era was nightmarish for immigrants, with a host of laws targeting East Asian migrants and displacing uncountable numbers of industrial workers particularly along the West Coast.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback set off a wave of police terror along the Gulf Coast, crippled the agricultural economy, and killed hundreds of migrants forced into transit.
The current border policy funnels hundreds of thousands of migrants through an inhospitality Texas/Arizona desert region that’s killed around 10k-50k people in the last decade.
None of it actually curbs immigration. It all just becomes a black market affair, affording employers a tool to depress wages and cartels an opportunity to press-gang border residents into cattle slavery.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback
Just in case you didn’t understand the motivation
chattel* slavery
Are they planning to finish that border wall? Looks like it’s about halfway complete.
Funneling migrants into the desert to die isn’t a bug, it’s a feature
The people being deported AND the people who weren’t.
Yeah, we definitely need less people in this country. I’m sure it’ll help fill all the job vacancies and increase productivity and GDP.
I will make sure to bring this up when any republicans complain that are so many vacancies because no one wants to work anymore.
Lebensraum.
It doesn’t need to be a real problem, for them to make it one.
The immigrant work force will still be there, they’ll just be put in camps and forced to work for nothing, while white working class people are sold the idea of “claiming back” “their” land, while the capitalists take it all over in their name (and never share any of the profits or benefits, of course, with a new scapegoat as for why as they need it).
Strictly speaking of productivity without justifying Trump’s plan in any way - labor shortage increases productivity. Cheap labor decreases productivity. Expensive labor forces capitalists to invest in new equipment and training to be able to produce the same output with fewer labor hours. Simple example - fastening the same number of bolts using manual screwdrivers in more hands vs electric screwdrivers in fewer hands.
Outside of that, removing a significant portion of the population at any one time would be significantly disruptive in many regards.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
A lot of Americans don’t feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.
Yeah and that is one the reasons the argument is dumb. Fascists often are supported by big parts of the population. They arent going to be displaced by them. Especially in america
If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.
Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.
Plus the NSA knows the weapon supply stock of the US Armory and no matter how many rounds the avg “patriotic” gravy seal might have.
Literally no way to stand up to the gear the US military has, our real hope is some how not letting trump purge the military to break the laws.
ISIS and the Taliban stood up to America with worse. And no American soldiers agreed with the Taliban.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?
Our arms don’t exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.
Right, which is why the whole 2nd amendment argument is silly in this day and age.
Dude, if they didn’t rise up when the kids were cages during Trump’s first term then it is clear they are the brownshirts.
If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?
The bill of rights applies to anyone standing on American soil regardless of if they are a citizen, a legal resident, a refugee, or even here “illegally”.
They have the right to bear arms (per their states laws), they have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and religion, they have the right to due process and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The constitution doesn’t distinguish citizens from non citizens when it comes to their rights.
A lot of what trump says he’s gonna do isn’t possible unless the constitution gets suspended. Which is unlikely but not impossible.
White male wealthy supremacists?
I don’t doubt that is how the current supreme court would interpret it. This approach of asking “how the founding fathers would think” results in exclusion of non-white citizens. On the other hand, lack of atandardized identification documents in the USA result in this mess.
Are you under the impression that the founding fathers weren’t slave holders themselves?
No
Also the definition of what the founding fathers had of white was extremely different. It was only people from Britain that were white. The English, Scottish, and Welsh. No one else. Not the Germans, Irish, or Swedes even.
Dammit! Foiled by racists once again!
…you’d think I’d put /s, but no.
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year
If he actually succeeds in doing this, guess who’s going to be made to fill in that hole.
This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.
Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.
Illegals aren’t growing crops, prisons step in, now prisons are growing crops, now prisons are profiteering from growing crops, higher food prices despite the ““free”” labor as they have conflicts with farmers…
messy messy messy situation
Great if you own a prison, tho.
Isn’t this basically the start of how megacorps destroyed the agriculture industry in Cyberpunk?
If you lived in the 80’s, you know where you’re going with this.
Prisons. Good old indentured servitude.
Get ready for more jaywalking arrests.
Yup.
The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.
Obviously the answer is to tax billionaires, but that’s never going to happen.
Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).
I’m writing a story where children are immediately under a birth debt once they are born and its an entire generations dream to get out from under that debt.
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