And the whole set of problems only exist because there are too many cars.
Broke: Car C is being a responsible, safety focused driver
Woke: Car C is holding up traffic for no good reason
Bespoke: Car Pink is whipping around that turn at 80 kmph and going to kill everyone anyone, so don’t sweet it.
Just go right over the center and see if you can clear C and D.
Wait until you see the magic roundabout in the UK. It’s a “close your eyes, pray and hit the gas” type of place.
I’ve seen this so often before and I still don’t understand why they didn’t just build an ordinary roundabout. It’s just six roads that meet there. That’s not beyond ordinary roundabout capabilities. Who said “you know what, let’s just do a circular arrangement of five roundabouts here, that’s so much better than what people are used to”?
My money is on “the french love roundabouts so we’re not doing that”
That roundabout needs a speaker constantly playing Entry of the Gladiators on repeat
No one will ever be able to invade the UK, they’ll get stuck in this horror.
It’s really five regular roundabouts circling one central roundabout.
Then you see the cars completely ignoring the sub-circles and driving over them or backwards to the arrows.
Left side driving should be illegal
It is in the most places on earth.
Good.
People will unironically see this and proclaim that it’s actually not that complicated…
Holy hell
I drove through that one, not easy. I prefer the turbine design we use in Germany.
Car C is really just waiting for the pink car to arrive so that they can slam the gas as soon as it does.
I knew a girl who was instructed to turn left at a roundabout, so she proceeded to turn left when merging into the roundabout.
Poor girl, fortunately everything was fine (she did fail, but no accidents) but that’s a special kind of ‘too literal’ that loops back around to being dumb.
And that’s why turn-by-turn navigation systems phrase it as “take the third exit from the roundabout” these days.
One of the work trucks used to have one that said “Go straight through the roundabout”. It was pretty tempting sometimes to take it at its word…
Replace the pink car with a bicycle an A is suddenly not being in the mood to yield anymore.
I was going straight once and had to go back in and do a full turn (180° + 360°) because of that.
All cars will yield to a bicycle in the UK, because less protected members of the road traffic always take priority.
All cars should yield.
When I used to cycle, I’d just go on the pavements at large roundabouts. Not much point in being right but dead.
I personally never had any issues. British drivers are very polite and cautious.
Welp, I’m not in the UK.
Over here, people go with - what is the most threatening to themselves - and it really feels weird that people who have presumably passed the driving exam are worse at roundabouts than me.
I’m a daily cyclist and I think I’d be terrified to bike through a full roundabout. They’re absolutely marvelous designs for throughput that doesn’t require complex signal automation, but the flip side of that is they’re pretty hostile if you’re not a motor vehicle. Any truly good roundabout design should include pedestrian and cycle paths along the periphery that have priority when crossing the circles entrances.
The hard part is when back to back traffic for 15 miles worth of cars is coming from one direction and everyone else is either too scared to zipper merge or they allow the one direction to have perpetual right of way.
At some point of heavy traffic, the circle right of way must yield for zipper merging, else face my ass aggro merging and beeping at everyone who doesn’t.
F. The more fundamental problem is that these are all cars, not bikes. Fuck cars.
I’m waiting til it becomes normal for individuals to use old school buses as their commuter vehicles. It’s the inevitable destination of the car size war.
It makes sense because that would also help alleviate the housing crisis.
Right, that’s the funny thing about roundabouts. They’re a marvelous solution to local motor vehicle throughput. That become completely unnecessary if your traffic is anything besides motor vehicles. In fact, for bikes and pedestrians and anyone else who can look at each other eye to eye and even just talk to one another if need be, no signals or signs are necessary at all.
Well yes, but actually bikes wouldn’t even need a roundabout with rules like this in the first place.
ITT: People road raging over imaginary traffic.
Drivers seem to love complaining about drivers
When I have a Car D behind me, it’s because they overestimate my car’s acceleration capabilities.
As the circle enlarges, the system approaches four T-intersections. What I want to know is: at what size circle to people lose their minds and become unable to comprehend how T-intersections work.
Fair play to people confused about multi-lane roundabouts though.
Not everybody is cut out to drive (i.e. to operate dangerous heavy machinery in a fast-changing environment with others depending on you handling the situation correctly). The problem is when we structure our societies requiring everyone to do so to participate.
requiring everyone to do so to participate.
Bus, taxi, bike, walk, whatever.
I vehemently disagree that everyone has a ‘right’ to have a license, as so many argue.
They never said that everybody has a right to drive. The reality is that, at least in the US and similarly planned countries, cars are priced like a luxury and treated like a necessity by the powers that be. Anything that isn’t driving a car is an afterthought.
That infrastructure is majorly lacking if you live in the US.
This is what I do. It is not a universal solution. You are sugar coating your answer by leaving out the final option that makes it universal: give up.
My partner wants to be a social worker. They are quite talented in their profession and help a lot of people. They are not a good driver and it would be better for everyone if they did not have to drive. However, you cannot do the work they do unless you own a car, have a valid license, and are willing to drive around. The choice offered to them is: drive poorly, or give up your life’s ambition.
@AllNewTypeFace is exactly correct that there is a problem where we have structured society such that everyone is expected to drive, and your comment does not successfully refute that. The problem exists.
It’s not as binary as “drive or give up life’s ambition”. Uber exists, busses (maybe not in USA and some areas of Canada). Still we are setup as car-centric and it sucks
Yes, actually, it is. Sometimes, for some people with some perfectly ordinary ambitions, those are the only two options. It is absolutely binary.
Uber and busses are not solutions for people who need to move their clients around, for example. Even if it were remotely practical to attempt it, even if it were safe for their clients, it’s simply not permitted.
If you’ve never run into a situation where you had to give things up because you don’t have a car, that’s extremely fortunate. To claim no one ever does is wildly delusional.
I gave up my car. I bus to clients. I understand there are circumstances where it may not be always be the case but there are handy transit out here for moving clientswhoo need support, and other services. I have even seen US shows documenting social work where they use taxis.
I gave up my car. I bus to clients. In our professions, we had that option. Other people in other professions and other localities don’t. My partner has to be able to transport vulnerable individuals like foster children with trauma as part of their career. Obviously we could design things in such a way that there are other options, but we haven’t. Sometimes people can fill in or work around those gaps. Some times, it is not possible, for example with my partner. Fuck off now, you’re just being deliberately obtuse.
That username LOL
The lion does not concern himself with car C. Car D should plough straight through them.
I mean, nothing here is wrong but I have rarely had C being my primary issue when dealing with roundabouts. Idiots randomly entering the circle with no regard to other cars, THAT I’ve encountered quite frequently…
Ah yes, car E driven by Leeeerrroooooyyyy Jenkins
Watching the shadow of the car, it takes out the top of a tree
To the moooooooooooon
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Biggest problem I encounter is people failing to signal their exit
So I end up being C because I yield to a bunch of bozos who didn’t communicate they were’t going to come my way
Well we can kinda only go when the signal is accompanied by another indication like slowing and or beginning to turn - “never trust a signal” eh?
The only real problem I regularly encounter is on two lane roundabouts.
If you want to take the first exit you need to enter in the passenger side lane.
If you want to take any exit after the second you need to enter in the driver’s side lane.
If you enter in the passenger side lane, you must take the first or second exit. Taking any exit after the second from the “outside” lane is gonna cause an accident.
I see this happen a few times a year. It’s so common that most drivers foresee it.
Yeah the solution there is spiral roundabouts with hard barriers at critical points.
That’s because Americans don’t know how to use them, once you live in a place where people use them OPs picture becomes your issue and you never see yours.
Americans have a hard time driving, period. They can’t “keep right unless passing”, they can’t understand 4-way stops, they can’t understand traffic circles, and so much more. So frustrating and dangerous here.
Yesterday, I had to drive for at least 15 miles behind a transfer truck doing 45 because an idiot decided to cruise in the passing lane right beside it. I see it at least once a week.
What’s so hard about understanding the left lane is THE PASSING LANE. FOR PASSING CARS IN THE RIGHT LANE?!
It’s completely F’d up. In the region I live in there are a lot of 3-lane highways (6 lanes total). People “cruise” in the #2 lane and treat it like the slow lane which forces faster traffic left and right around them in the #1 and #3 lanes sometimes going 5 under the limit, often confounded by a #1 lane camper going the speed limit or just a few over. Nobody obeys any sort of rule or has a clue they aren’t being the asshole. They refuse to keep right or yield to faster traffic.
I know that „there must be a German word for that“ is became a meme, with lot of fake words being thrown around, but I’m not even joking: There’s a German word for that lol ✨Mittelspurschleicher✨
I was just thinking yesterday that if Trump actually wanted to do good he could convert all these people he’s hiring for ICE into some kind of traffic enforcement agency and send all the dumbasses that can’t drive properly to el salvador. This thought happened while I was stuck in a drive through that some moron had blocked the exit of by pulling up too far.
1 lane each way highways solve this issue by preventing there being a passing lane except on straight aways when there is no oncoming traffic.
I have to agree.
I’m old, and most roads were 2 lane when I was a child. These problem didn’t exist then.
Many dont understand four way stop signs either
I think that’s location specific, I’ve lived in a few different places in the US that had roundabouts, although I’ve always called em rotaries in the northeast.
Yeah same here. Only know roundabout because that’s how the GPS says it lol
My city (US) used to have one that was signed all wrong, so cars already inside the circle would have to yield to the ones entering. Naturally this led to congestion instead of flowing traffic. Also it was way too close to a tangential road so that made things even worse because the backed up traffic on that side then affected cars that weren’t even going to the circle.
Fortunately they ripped that shit out and redesigned the entire intersection.
Or badly designed ones with a combo of yield and stop signs that effectively prevent the people with the stop sign from ever proceeding
Hit them
Useful, but incomplete.
