And this is all because an old fart decided for a three day special operation. Truly disgusting.
i hope for a million more!
“One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
It should be blindingly obvious that nothing short of being assassinated will make Putin stop throwing his own people into this meat grinder. There are no diplomatic niceties here - he’s an international terrorist and a perfectly legitimate target. So let’s be completely open about that. I don’t care if it takes a Ukrainian commando team, a deeply planted CIA mole or a cruise missile. Putin. Needs. To. Die. And it should happen ASAFP.
With a declining population, this won’t make things any better
I guess Putin is betting on winning this war, so he can add Ukraine to Russias population and replace all the lost manpower.
He’s also killing young Ukrainians, though, so that doesn’t seem like it’d work at all.
Three day special operation
War… When powerful men send poor kids to kill poor kids for natural resources. We know what it’s good for.
and those Russians who were injured, maimed, or died for invading Ukraine, and occupying parts of it, were injured, maimed, or died for nothing.
Does “lost” mean died? Or also out of the war due to injuries?
The estimates are Casualties, which include injuries.
In an offensive war, generally speaking, casualties are usually estimated to be two to three injuries (moderate to severe) per death. Basically, a casualty is anyone who has sustained injuries that put them out of the fight either temporarily (a couple of hours+) or permanently.
If these numbers are correct*, we’re talking about roughly 250k to 333k killed, the rest being injured.
Source: It was a rule of thumb I learned eons ago in the army. I’m curious how accurate it is nowadays with irate drones violently shoving unlubed howitzer shells down your throat.
*: The official stance from Ukrainian intelligence is that these numbers have been visually confirmed. They are reasonably close to the estimates published by british intelligence, so while inaccuracies are to be expected due to the fog of war, it is probably the closest official number we’ll have until the war is over.
Both, killed and injured.
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Does anyone know how the Ukrainian losses compare? I couldn’t find them readily.
The official stance is that they’re not being released until after the war is over. But there are some indicators:
- A defensive force usually loses a lot fewer personnel
- There is plenty of evidence of russia using baiting/sacrificial assaults, one step removed from human wave attacks.
It is therefor reasonable to estimate that Ukraine has lost much fewer than russia.
Thanks for the explanation.
Man. Those poor souls. Sent by some wanker who neither knows nor cares about them, just to die for some bullshit game. Their one chance to experience anything wiped out for eternity.
Yeah to think about how many teenagers never got to actually live because of one psychopath treating life like a video game, and that is ignoring all the civilians who pointlessly died in this too.
Like if I think about how much has happened to me since I’m 18 it horrifies me that they never got to experience any of that.
Yeah, all they got to show for it was pets nailed ro fences, rapes, exterminations of entire villages, theft, torture and murder of civillians. Not worth it.
Remember that means killed or injured, because in military terms a casualty is anyone that can’t fight tomorrow. Dead is usually 1/3 of casualties.
The UK ministry of defense has some additional numbers
That’s against a population of ~144 million, so with overlap:
- 0.70% of the population (1 in 143 people) have been killed or wounded
- 0.31% of the population (1 in 323 people) are permanent combat losses
- 0.17% (1 in 588 people) have been killed or are missing
After the war started, I took a look at russian demographics and according to the last statistics posted before the war, Russia was at around 22 million males between 18 and 40. We know that they are also recruiting older males, people from Donbas and Crimea and other countries. We know that a huge amount of russians left the country after the invasion. We do not really know how many and we do not know how many have returned due to visa issues etc.
1 million is a really, really big number
For comparison with wars that the US has been involved in - Deaths as percentage of total population
- 0.21% in the War of 1812
- 0.11% in WW1
- 0.39% in WW2
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Russia: President, our population is aging! We’re suffering from a brain drain and an isolated, undiversified economy that can’t exploit our vast natural resources in the long term! How should we address this!?
Putin: Rubs chin contemplatively. Why don’t we kill all our young men by invading our culturally similar neighbor, even if it goes bad? Oh, and kidnap and bomb a few children to make it look good on the international stage. Perhaps we should become a Chinese vassal like North Korea… Yes, do that.
Russia: flashbacks intensify
US: Looks on enviously. Looks at vast resources, aging population kept young by immigration, and friendly neighbors. Nods. Can we do that?
US Voters: Hold our beer!
Sorry (but not sorry), the war is indeed awful.
