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- the current latest version of the article itself, as of today (last edit was four days ago): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaza_genocide&oldid=1319572343
- all edits by Jimbo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jimbo_Wales
We cant afford to be neutral on a moving train.
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@cypherpunks he is wrong, as many genocide specialist (including those from Israel) will tell him.
He just supports genocide against people of different colour. It’s the American way.
@cypherpunks Wikipedia is human-edited, and humans are flawed. However, the body of editors overall means it is self-correcting, in time. Jimbo may be a founder, but as an editor, his is one voice only. I think it is grossly unfair to condemn the entire thing over one person’s views. It is still the best source of info there is - overall. Some of the replies here are… disturbing, frankly.
I feel like there is a concerted effort to delegitimise Wikipedia recently. Long live Wikipedia.
Knowledge, especially free and easily accessible knowledge is detrimental to elites. Under educated peoples are easy to coerce, control, manipulate, scapegoat, scare, etc. So the easier it is for people to educate themselves, or just be educated the worse it is. Capitalists by default want dumb workers who don’t know the meaning of value, it’s part of the reason theres been a massive anti-intellectualist push this last decade or so.
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml
There is no neutral POV regarding Genocide! Clainlming there is, just means you support genocide!How arrogant and naive to think that your view of things is the objective truth… If it is, people who see things different are what, blind? Or mentally incapable to understand anything? Or, maybe, they’re absolute irrational evil causing destruction without any explicable reason? Rejecting and dehumanizing the other side of a conflict means just further broadening it. You aren’t going to solve wars by taking part in them.
I DO NOT support Israel, but using value judgments of either side doesn’t help understand the actual reasons behind the conflict which are always much deeper than “we good they bad”.
I mean, genocide is pretty objectively bad.
All ethical systems rely on example applications. Israel’s morality can not be measured by any moral system. Rather, it’s actions are so abhorrent, that any moral systems merit will in the future be measured by whether it judges Israel’s actions as bad.
Value judgements? Genocide is an objective thing. It’s clearly defined, with zero “good vs evil” involved in its definition.
And just like that, Wiki made itself useless in this world…
I can’t even talk on that page. This is how wikipedia dies
But not calling the Gaza genocide a genocide is a violation of truth, common sense, and basic decency…
But is it neutral? /s
What makes a man turn neutral? A lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
This is not an isolated incident, but a preview: more liberal masks are poised to fall.
I stopped giving a shit about and even using Wikipedia back in 2019 when they locked everybody in Southern California using a certain major service out of making edits to any article. I was trying to edit an article on carbon because they had an isotope incorrectly labeled and I was told multiple times by Wikipedia volunteers and their staff that there is some dog joke bot that made it really impossible for them to control … so they locked millions of people out of making any kind of edits because dog jokes. So the infactual science stayed in the carbon article and that’s when I realized Wikipedia is just controlled by a handful of assholes. I stopped donating then. When I asked them who gets to make edits they said they’re not really sure who the volunteers are but they trust them and when I asked Wikipedia staff how they account for the trustworthiness of who their editors are and what their intentions are, staff had no answer. But I can’t make an edit to a carbon article but anon can … even if they have some sort of agreement behind the scenes about controlling the information on Wikipedia. That’s no problem. Just, you know, infactual information about a carbon isotope that’s the problem. Fuck Wikipedia. Encyclopedia Britannica still rules and is worth the money.
in 2019 when they locked everybody in Southern California using a certain major service out of making edits
I assume that block is not still in effect?
I was trying to edit an article on carbon because they had an isotope incorrectly labeled
Out of curiosity, was this error eventually corrected, or is it still wrong today?
Encyclopedia Britannica still rules and is worth the money
I just looked for the first time in years and it appears you can read it for free… What do you get by paying for it besides disabling the ads (which my ad blocker already does)?
I see they have a list of changes to articles now, but they don’t show the old versions or diffs between them.
Also I see there are “Quick summary” and “Ask the chatbot a question” buttons on every page 🤡
Of course he did. Funny how he had no problem with their being a “Uyghur Genocide” page for multiple years before they eventually had to change it due to lack of evidence
Yikes Wikipedia isn’t just infiltrated by Zionists but created by one.
Wikipedia has been irrelevant for a while now, they are only worried about what future LLMs will say about the genocide and Palestine in general so they are trying to suppress the rest of the references, compromising Wikipedia, buying TikTok, …
Sit your ass down in Gaza, Jimbo. Your ‘natural point of view’ will drastically change.
The oligarchs long ago made Jimmy an honorary member of their club, and there’s nothing neutral about that club. Not that “neutral” even exists outside of the mind palace of radical centrists.
English language Wikipedia is a US psyop. I wonder how much Atlanticist propaganda gets stuffed into other languages’ Wikipedias.
I don’t know if what the Grayzone writes is true (well, probably is), but their choice of words reads unhinged. Coterie, cabal, gang, disciple.
But wait, author is Max Bluementhal, isn’t he the useful imperialist-owned idiot that’s often on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News? Yes he is.
His reporting on Gaza is pretty good and his record is consistent. What imperialist-owners are you referring to?
He’s invited to, and used by Tucker on Fox News to push Fox News’s views and make them normalized and sound, because TC was saying “oh, and leftists agree with me on that” quoting MB.
shouldn’t be that hard to clone it tbh
It is a US psyop in other languages too!
Wow, with how much the right hated them I just assumed they were good guys. So much for that idea. Will no longer be supporting financially either.
