New Yorkers will spend hours talking about how unique and special bodegas like other cities dont have grocery stores
Oh fuck off. A Socdem mayor of NYC will be nice for new yorkers but this shit is tiring.
cultural capital of the world
Wait 10 years and Shanghai will show you what is the cultural capital of the universe
New Yorkers really believe they are the center of the universe lol. And I say this as someone who used to live there for years.
the whole idea of there having to be a single “capital” of culture or science is euro shit, steeped in colonialism and the need to maintain cultural hegemony. The global south is home to thousands of cultures, more vibrant and alive than
s can even imagine, and they all have their centers and reference points, that are looking to the West less and less, as of late.But if we don’t have a single capital of culture where do we take the stolen artefacts??
the british museum, housed in the capital of complaining so much about rain when if you go by the data and compare london to other cities it doesn’t actually rain all that much there
Didn’t they only get the revolutionary new sanitation technology of “trash cans” this year?
that one was pretty far down the New York tech tree
I don’t think new york is even cultural capital of usa lmao
of course, it’s actually Hitlerville, Oregon
it does create more garbage than any other city. seven days a week, tons and tons of garbage are hauled out of the city by large trucks, some heading as far away as landfills in Virginia and incinerators in Indiana, in an impressive feat of logistics and ecological destruction.
if their sanitation workers go on strike for like a day, the real “cultural” production of NYC starts accumulating.
Exactly my thought too. It’s not. Los Angeles is generally considered the cultural capital of the US. Movies, TV, and Music. New York can probably claim theater, that’s it. Not sure how they compare for art and literature.
I don’t know how you could possible come to that conclusion, it is very obviously the most important American city in basically every single respect
It hasn’t been since Tin Pan Alley. There’s only a brief period like say ~1880 to ~1930 where NYC was genuinely the cultural capital of the US. Before the civil war, the US was too divided to have a single cultural capital and NYC didn’t stand out as a cultural capital of the north. The 1930s was the golden age of Hollywood.
When NYC was the actual cultural capital of the US, a typical cultural export would be some vaudeville act by Yiddish-speaking performers or some super early silent film filmed by Edison. The dominant musical genre was ragtime.
how?
California is a state ,NYC is definitely the USA’s most well known city and also on of the biggest producers of cultural output
what would you say is the cultural capital of the USA ?
Los Angeles ?
to anyone outside the USA it looks like it is NYC
I am not American but california seems more important from here
I agree but California is a state not a city
I was also gunna say LA (for film, music, TV etc.) but defining culture as ‘ways of doing things’ (and not just artistic products) it’s hard to knock NYC from its post
like it’s obviously texas/south, dunno what they are smoking
What. No? While the South has outsized influence in politics, it is a simple undeniable fact that the majority of cultural products of the US are made in or centered around New York or Los Angeles, and that these two cities have a ridiculous influence on world culture.
on the world maybe, inside usa tho, i dunno, isn’t usa in the country phase in music and tv shows?
Even accepting the premise I don’t even think it’d be NYC now. If you’re sort of offline movies and shows seem like the last refuge of some semblance of monoculture and that’s hollywood for a western audience. Everything else is just internet now anyways, so SF as per infrastructure and probably some shit like Dubai for the actual people doing it lol.
Shenzhen is the global capital for digital tech. SF has nothing aside from a collection of digital landlords.
Don’t think there’s to many westerners on Douyin for it to be relevant to culture, unlike say Instagram or Tiktok
IDK if Tencent and Mihoyo are based in Shenzen but they have a huge amount of influence outside of China.
Wait 10 years and Shanghai will show you what is the cultural capital of the universe
No. I’m sorry that’s just not happening. Not as long as so much of Chinese cultural products exist entirely for internal consumption.
Edit: Right now if I’m going to consume Chinese media I have to seek it out, and I have to put in some effort if I want to consume it in a way that is legible to me as a person who does not speak Mandarin. If I want to see a thing that is entirely up its own ass about new york I have to turn on the TV, and I am not in America.
And even if that changed tomorrow, there would still be entire generations (In fact, every living generation) that grew up with and were influenced by American media and not Chinese media and it would take years upon years just to change that, and again that is assuming that tomorrow I would turn on the TV or the radio or turn on a popular streaming service and the first results would be Chinese media.I’m sorry that’s just not happening. Not as long as so much of Chinese cultural products exist entirely for internal consumption.
Not now, but I did say in 10 years.
First, Shanghai is not so much Chinese, but an international city. It is the most Westernized city far beyond anywhere else in China.
What makes NYC the cultural hub is not that it is the epitome of American culture (you can find more authentic American vibes in any Southern city), but that it is an international city made up of enclaves of immigrants who brought their own culture into the mix.
Like NYC, Shanghai is the financial center of the nation. Comparing Shanghai to other major Chinese industrial cities, say Zhengzhou in Henan, is like comparing NYC to, say, Atlanta. Very different vibes.
And like NYC, the rent and property prices are way beyond what most young people can afford, and the people there have a smugness not seen in other cities except for maybe Beijing and Hangzhou, though not at the level of New Yorkers yet.
Second, Shanghai already has the ingredients for becoming an international cultural hub, but it needs time.
How do I know this? First, we need to ask, what is it that makes NYC a cultural hub? I’ve mentioned above that it has a lot of immigrants of diverse backgrounds, but as a metric of cultural centers, NYC has international cultural activities that you simply cannot find in the vast majority of the cities in the world outside of their own places of origin.
This is going to sound funny, but bear with me: let’s say I want to learn a niche African tribal dance (just an example, it can be any form of international cultural activity), I can easily find an expert teacher in NYC. Believe it or not, these days you can similarly find them in Shanghai. You simply cannot find similar dance studios with such world-class teachers in most cities in the world. That’s what makes these cities candidates for international cultural hubs.
It is true that Shanghai does not yet have the immigration numbers compared to NYC, but the shifting in geopolitical power in the coming decades can change that. China does need to relax its immigration policy, and the recent K visas for foreigners can help, but the most important part is that the basic ingredients are already there.
What Shanghai will always lose out to NYC though, are all the stolen artefacts from other cultures and civilizations that you find in the Met.
China does need to relax its immigration policy
well that’s not happening anytime soon
China doing a revolution which leads to 1.4 billion people under communism? Nah have you considered New York elected an urbanist
Let’s be fair here: this is a decisive victory of left wing podcasting, the true innovation of 21st century revolutionary movements, and NYC is where 99% of the global leftist podcasters are concentrated in.
What if Xi Jinping could harness podcast power?
He does, it’s called the Geopolitical Economy Report
but it’s Ben Norton peeling into Xi peeling into Mao
Mediocre white guys get hype
This probably doesn’t even scratch the top 50 of “global left wins” lmao, and even that might be generous
New Yorkers will spend hours talking about how unique and special bodegas like other cities dont have grocery stores
well, i watched some mormon missionaries speak about their missionary experience in the totally exotic culture of uh… new zealand. and they were just absolutely in love with the idea of a small grocery store on the corner, in walking distance. just in awe at this eldritch cultural practice. they’d never encountered anything like it (i guess they came from utah?)
so… uh… y’know.
Character idea: Mormon who travels abroad to a normal country as a missionary but has his own heart changed, becoming a convert to urbanism.
Finally a good anime
Utah is a foreign country even within the context of the United Stated
Utah is a social experiment
Do they also think they came up with the word bodega
Bodega is a newyorkese word that stands for “grocery store”
Does bodega mean all grocery stores or is it just the corner store where you can buy cigarettes, way overpriced salty snacks, and old vegetables (when they have them)?
it’s from a native language once spoken on manhattan
It appears that the left is divided among those who consider Xi Jinping its most important global leader, and those who hold the same esteem for Bob Esponja.
In Latam its Goku
Bob Esponja
My captain
Spätis in Berlin >>> Bodegas in NYC (I’ve been to both)
Spätis started in the DDR and encourage loitering/drinking/socializing, rather than calling the pigs on you. A späti (translates to “latey”) is a 24hr convenience store, usually with benches/seating outside, that’s a major part of Berlin late-night culture
It’s considered a meeting place like a coffee shop, but for beer/food/snacks at 2am. It’s the first place every drunk goes to wind down after clubbing. A lot of them function as basic grocery stores by day and a more laidback party/bar spot by night
Most Spätis are run by Middle Easterners, especially chill Turkish uncs if you’re in Kreuzberg (Berlin’s “Little Istanbul”). so yes, they often have a store cat like bodegas do
most importantly cultural
What zero materialism does to a mf.
Also that’s just not true. Before social media, Hollywood was the center of global cultural production. Nowadays it’s too chaotic and individualized to have a center, but if it had one it’d be Silicon Valley.
broadway shows, woody allen films and 90s young-people-in-apartments sitcoms are what shapes global culture, actually
Musically, maybe failsons of the illuminati flying home from their Swiss boarding schools to start bands and do coke in NY dive bar bathrooms briefly after 9/11, for a couple of years anyway.
Who does that describe other than Julian Casablancas?
didn’t they have some good punk/post-punk in the late 70s/early 80s. i guess that was at least a tiny bit influential on late 20th century pop culture
It’s funny that the example that came to my mind was Swans! I don’t know how much they affected pop culture in general but they definitely left a mark on rateyourmusic and Fantano.
I don’t think Swans affected much outside of the relatively niche subgenres that are in the same orbit and I think Michael Gira would HATE IT if anyone told him his music influenced pop culture lol. They are very important for heavy music-heads though I love them
Also that’s just not true. Before social media, Hollywood was the center of global cultural production
I agree with this
New York isn’t even the cultural capital of New York
For real, they dont even know what a steamed ham is
Back on my “wishing new yorkers would shut the fuck up about new york” arc
cultural capital of the world
Lol, lmao even
Kind of a fun question, though. What is the “cultural capital” of the world? For the West, at least, I’m thinking Rome just for the historical value placed on it? Or maybe Hollywood because they just be pumping out slop
The cultural capital of the West is Langley Virginia
Eglin Airforce Base
It’s LA. That’s the heart of the colonial cultural export machine
LA makes media, not culture. there is no culture in amerikkka
there is no culture in amerikkka
There is no recognizably different culture in America from the rest of the world, because the US has aggressively exported culture over the past 50 years. American culture is global culture at this point.
I hear people say this and I have no idea what it means. By any definition of the word that I see, it would be culture, even if it’s a shitty one.
deeply unfair to all the nonwhite people, and theater kids.
It’s silicon valley
Though the strange thing about Silicon Valley is that it doesn’t produce culture, it just produces the means to globalize and privatize social spaces, so it’s more like it hijacks and leeches off culture.
Yes rather than manufacture it as a cultural product instead it has taken control of the means to determine what cultural produce is seen or highlighted via controlling the digital media. The owners of traditional TV and music were this too, now in the digital space. Controlling focus is more powerful than producing the content in a “free market” anyway.
At least with the studio system, the owners of the studios were lending out the resources for artists to do the cultural production. Obviously we’re adults here so explaining why letting people use capital so they can produce stuff for you to sell is exploitative isn’t necessary, but at least that’s a model that propels some level of cultural development because you’re socializing production (but privatizing gain). I think the general trend with social media has been to dismantle the capacity to create art or interesting media because it boosts all the structural forces inherent in capitalism that impede genuine expression, creativity, and leisure without any kind of upside beyond the globalization (which is kinda meh since, other than anime and kpop, it seems like audiences aren’t rushing to consume tons of cultural exports from countries other than the US via the internet).
They just “own” the “marketplace of ideas” lmao
Yeah it’s truly nothing but strip malls and lawns if you’re talking Silicon Valley proper lol
I would pick Paris over Rome (for the west cc) , i think they have more modern influence
See my other comment. The fact that North Atlantic cultural hegemony exists, doesn’t mean there aren’t cultural hotspots all over the global south, much more vibrant and alive than the slop company towns in the global north. Sao Paulo, Bangkok, Shanghai, Bangalore, Manila, Johannesburg, Lagos, CDMX, Bogota… all of those are cities that have very active and often interconnected cultural scenes. Looking for a singular “capital” is adopting the colonialist lens of hegemony and extraction, when a multi-polar world could have so many foci going on and collaborating.
rammstein didn’t sing “we all live in [list of international cities]”
idk abolish capitals or have them move every decade
this would work better if America were a city, and if it balkanizes maybe it will be
cultural capital of the world
I would say NYC is the cultural capital of the US
I simply don’t think there is a cultural capital of the world
Sorry Lenin, reshaping politics and international relationships for centuries to come isn’t such a big deal compared to promising food for people in one city and failing to deliver
Castro may have started and won the Cuban Revolution, but has he ever seen a bodega cat?
im coming to hate mamdani just from him causing new yorkers to do the most annoying thing in the universe, which is talk about new york
the most annoying thing in the universe, which is talk about new york
Idk, I’d much rather hear someone go on about NYC than listen to someone who loves Texas talk about Texas (I fucking hate Texas (and NYC))
NYC could be good, i don’t think texas is redeemable
Inadequate rent control > Eliminating the landlord class
Edit: I’m happy for the people that made this happen, I’m sure it was really hard work. I’m also pretty sure most people, outside a few internet weirdos, don’t actually place this above the Russian Revolution or even something like the 1930s UAW strikes.
I’m also pretty sure most people, outside a few internet weirdos, don’t actually place this above the Russian Revolution
Most people in Amerikkka think the Russian Revolution was a bad thing.
Most people in Amerikkka think the Russian Revolution was a bad thing.
most people in amerikkka don’t know the difference between the February or October revolutions either and they consider both to be bad
Rent stabilization is not inherently a ceiling, it’s a wedge Zohran is holding to pry open the door
It’s the job of socialists like us to run into the room as fast as we can before they punch Zohran’s lights out and the door closes again
Our job is to cannibalize the people enticed by Zohran’s campaign messaging by doing on the ground organizing that appeals to them, focusing on material needs. The alternative is they do nothing or get involved in DSA shenanigans. If that means doing more than rent stabilization re: housing, it is because we have organized large enough groups to take direct action.
Our primary problem is that there are too few of us and we are disorganized.
“Mamdani who?” ~93% of the world
I think many people have heard ,it’s been all over the news here in the west bank
