Like what else could they be…? Burger land has a lot to answer for
Vegetarian in this case indicates the beans were not prepared with lard or other animal derived products during the cooking stage. It does not denote that the beans were fed an animal free diet.
not prepared with lard or other animal derived products
topped with cheese
It actually just suggests that you top it with cheese
Not beating the vegetarian stereotypes here.
oh I stand corrected! Thanks!
As soon as i hit post i felt like a reddit akshually guy but I’m glad this was the reply lol
I’m just so conditioned to expect seemingly-likely-to-be-vegan products like cans of beans to pull a bait and switch and reveal they have cheese, sodium caseinate, etc
Not 100% sure, but vegetarians probably have no problem with lard or any other animal derived products. Literally the only animal product they don’t use is meat.
They don’t eat animal cellular material, or anything that you need to kill an animal for. That includes fat cells and blood cells, but does not include a secreted matrix like milk or honey.
The longest and most widespread of the vegetarian traditions avoids eggs as well as meat, seeing ovivory as karmically deleterious. This is why Indian food commonly uses dairy like ghee and paneer but rarely uses eggs.
They don’t eat animal cellular material, or anything that you need to kill an animal for. That includes fat cells and blood cells, but does not include a secreted matrix like milk or honey.
(western) vegetarians are usually OK with things that animals are killed for, as long as no parts of the dead body remain in the food. i think the idea is that “technically, it could be possible to make this without killing anyone, therefore it counts as not killing anyone” which is why lard is out but butter is OK.
i wonder if you could convince a vegetarian to eat a Maasai-like diet of blood and milk, since blood, just like milk, technically can be extracted without killing, therefore making all blood vegetarian.
I was actually thinking about that specific case of blood as food too, that’s why I ended up saying “cells” rather than “tissues”.
Lard is animal fat tissue, not a secretion, but an actual animal derived product.
There are different reasons why people become vegetarian or vegan: religious, moral, health, taste, cost. The particular reason will govern how strict someone is, but by and large lard is out.
Leather is also a direct product of killing an animal and plenty of vegetarians will defend using it.
Yep, Vegetarians and vegans are not a single org with unified reasons or bounds. Some people merely eat a vegetarian diet, some people try to abstain from all animal products including honey, beeswax, leather, dyes, glues, shells, some medicicinal binders, etc.
It is impossible to avoid ALL animal byproducts or exploitation in the modern age, however. One must draw the line somewhere: do you salvage a corpse you encounter on a hike, do you use chalk or concrete, do you have a phone with a camera, do you eat coconuts, do you support certain types of criminal forensics, do you wear tattoos, etc?
Vegetarians and vegans are not a single org with unified reasons or bounds. Some people merely eat a vegetarian diet, some people try to abstain from all animal products including honey, beeswax, leather, dyes, glues, shells, some medicicinal binders, etc.
Yes, and veganism is the only one I consider worth a damn.
Vegetarians don’t eat lard. Similar to how they also don’t eat parmiagiano reggiano because it uses rennet.
They won’t eat this one cheese because cows are killed, but they’ll eat all all the other cheeses cows are killed for. Similarly, I doubt they make any real effort to not eat lard.
I don’t eat things made with lard. Some vegetarians eat cheese, but they likely aren’t picking and choosing based on morals. Those who abstain and vegans aren’t picking and choosing what to include either.
Some vegetarians eat cheese, but they likely aren’t picking and choosing based on morals.
Yep, they sure as hell aren’t.
I doubt they make any real effort to not eat lard.
Based on what? I don’t know any vegetarians who eat lard. I’m answering based on my knowledge of vegetarians. Why just randomly assert that vegetarians eat lard?
I don’t expect vegetarians to be consistent in any way. If your entire ideology is “animals killed for meat: 😡animals killed for any other reason: 😊” I don’t deem you trustworthy when it comes to avoiding animal products.
No one’s arguing about vegetarian consistency or whatever. People are just saying that, empirically, observably, vegetarians do not eat lard, because it is meat, or considered meat, whatever.
I’m pretty sure refried beans are traditionally made with lard, so it’s good these ones aren’t and are labeled as such
Besides the obvious answer that refried beans are commonly made with lard, there is some debate over whether eating organic crops is vegan because two of the most common organic fertilizers are essentially dried slaughterhouse residues and fish emulsion.
lmao organic is such a scam.
Given that the EPA is now apparently rubber stamping whatever pesticides come across their desk, there is still a health argument, but when it comes to environmental sustainability, nitrogen is an elephant in the room. Crop productivity is as high as it is because of Haber-Bosch nitrogen, and if you remove that as a possible input, your options are:
- Haber-Bosch nitrogen obtained by first feeding it to animals in the form of conventionally grown crops and then applied as manure or meat, blood, and bone meal
- Naturally fixed nitrogen as concentrated in fish or pasture-raised chickens or cattle
- Mined nitrates (naturally mined minerals qualify as organic)
- A mysterious fourth thing (on farm nitrogen management with legumes, but that’s a supplement and not sufficient to produce high yields)
I think there’s a case for a sensible system that combines synthetic nitrogen fertilizers with smarter soil organic matter management practices and IPM that doesn’t rely on pesticides as a first resort, but such a system would still be less productive (in terms of gross output) and more complex than commercial farming, so there needs to be a market for it. “We didn’t completely throw the baby out with the bathwater” farming.
Those same people probably think recycling helps save the environment too.
Hey now, recycling might help the environment a little if it were, you know… something that actually was real.
As it stands most western “recycling” involves plucking out the metals, actually recycling the 100% pure paper waste from offices, and sending virtually everything else overseas to set on fire. It’s a very cool system.
“For added deliciousness, top with melted cheese.”
I think that’s the part that makes it most American.
Finding out that some Americans put cheese on apple pie was the very first part of the anti-American pipeline for me
(Also dear Americans: you mfs did not invent the apple pie it’s existed for longer than the US has)
Im not a cheese guy but I could see there being certain cheeses that would go good with baked apples
Sweet potato pie is a better pie, and truly American. Also, cheese is gross.
I’m vegan but yeah I agree, I didn’t like cheese even before I went vegan.
Thats some shit from like the 50s, no one does that
These beans come all the way from Cadia? such inefficient logistics
the planet fell before the beans!
the beanbasket of the imperium
Usually the categories are Traditional and Vegetarian. Not sure why they’d splice the term “refried beans” to make it sound like the vegetarianism was practiced by the beans themselves.
Also fat free refried beans sound kinda unpleasant. We’re not in the 90s anymore, it’s okay to eat fat, and it’s okay to use sunflower oil or coconut oil to fry the beans in.
Isn’t lard the traditional way to cook refried beans, hence the differentiation?
I’m not one to defend American stupidity, life is too short, but it should be remembered that potatoes are vegetarian but chips, proper chips, are often cooked in beef dripping, which would make them non-vegetarian.
A lot of the flavoured chips have milk powder sprinkled on them too.
chips are made of potato?
potato chips are
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Unless you’re at a 100% vegan restaurant if you’re worried about oils touching then just don’t eat fried food, ever. I promise you they are not reserving a commercial deep fryer just to keep it vegan and, even if they’re supposed to be doing that, the workers aren’t
In most non-US countries, frying fat is almost always vegan unless it’s butter (but you wouldn’t deep-fry in butter). US fast food deep frying potato fries in beef fat is globally unusual.
And “worried about oils touching” is being deliberately obtuse. We’re not talking about cross-contamination. We’re talking about actual frying in animal fat. That is widely considered not vegetarian and I imagine in most countries where “vegetarian” is a regulated term, you aren’t allowed to call food vegetarian if it was fried in animal fat.
In most non-US countries, frying fat is almost always vegan unless it’s butter (but you wouldn’t deep-fry in butter). US fast food deep frying potato fries in beef fat is globally unusual.
McDonald’s using beef tallow doesn’t matter though because here’s how it works. You fill a commercial deep fryer with like 70Ib of oil. That oil can be vegan, it’s probably canola oil, but guess what? As soon as they fry some chicken nuggets or tenders in there, they’re rendering out a shitload of schmaltz, and that chicken fat is now going to cook and flavor everything.
If you’re fine with that cool but if you’re a vegan who is bothered by that then I’m just trying to inform people that “the vegan option of French fries” still isn’t going to be vegan because unless it’s a fucking vegan restaurant they’re going to be contaminating that oil with animal products.
Don’t call me obtuse you fucking nerd
Yeah what you’re describing is completely different to frying in lard. And I imagine most fast food places have separate fryers for potato fries specifically because people are vegetarian—but in any case, what you’re describing is not what’s being discussed.
Don’t call me obtuse you fucking nerd
Seems like quite the overreaction but ok. Don’t call me a nerd while we’re at it?
You’re acting like you’re the person i initially commented on
And I imagine most fast food places have separate fryers for potato fries specifically because people are vegetarian
Your imagination is wrong sorry
You’re acting like you’re the person i initially commented on
I don’t think I am. I’m saying that most vegans/vegetarians consider something being fried in lard vs cross-contamination to be separate categories. That’s not to say that they’re all ok with cross-contamination, but just that many of them treat the two very differently. I don’t think it’s difficult to understand why.
My dad asked me if I could/would drink egg nog last week after being vegan for like 10 years.
Ok the egg isn’t vegan but you won’t even drink the nog that comes out?? /s
‘try drinking around it’
unnogs your egg
Hey don’t
Maybe theyre usually fried in not-vegetarian-friendly stuff? Idk enough about beans tho so this just a guess
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Dawg to protect yourself, dont come to the US and mistake Mexican food for American lol
“vegetarian”
what are they floating in? cheese sauce?Refried beans are usually cooked with lard
ruining a perfectly good
smdh
BTW:
What does “refried” mean?Thanks!
And this seems to be a much better reason this might be necognizable as American (although not necessarily US American)
Unexpected vegan/vegetarian food surprises are also a thing here in Europe…
Reminds me of the video I saw today: What’s the difference between chicken broth and chicken stock. Nice USian pothole.
Forget vegetarian. How can something fried be fat-free? Doesn’t frying… by definition require fat?
Also note that they are vegetarian, but not vegan…
They are vegan. It says so on their website. It costs money to put “Vegan” on your packaging tho’
These labels cost money to acquire and use.
Just like organic
