Forks of Firefox like LibreWolf and Floorp are about to become more popular.
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You ever feel like an animal being backed into a corner? Maybe its just me.
Like a little rabbit being backed into a corner by a fox, perhaps? Perhaps even more specifically a fox that is on fire yet refuses to die? A fire fox, if you will?
I dunno is the little rabbit on the verge of crashing out and turning into the one from The Holy Grail? Cuz if so yeah exactly.
I miss when Bitcoin and crypto was the dumbass shit twchbros were pushing
The rock: Firefox doubling down on ““AI”” shit
The hard place: Having to say “Floorp” without dying a little inside
Floorp is a madman help us save us
I thought i had successfully suppressed that childhood nightmare
Floorp sounds like it could be a spinoff/sequel to flubber.
Or at the very least one of the 10 trillion goo based toys that thrived in the early to mid 00s. Floam-like name. (Do kids still get shitty toys that have goopy stuff of a questionable toxicity and that gets dirty or dries out and makes the whole thing kinda mid?)
Literally the least competent fucking company on earth, staggering how fucking wrong a management team can be so fucking consistently.
I thought so too but recently I’ve realised they’re a very competent and highly tuned machine for turning good will into private wealth.
motherfuckers.
I mean, they’ve done some decent stuff, but ultimately it’s a tech failson company. Literally exists because it’s cheaper for Google to pay Mozilla’s bills than it is to pay the fines for having a monopoly.
like LibreWolf and Floorp are about to become more popular.
These are not “forks” they are third-party reskins of Mozilla’s product. They’re the equivalent of downloading third party windows ISOs and then claiming that you’re not really using Windows or that you’re getting the last laugh. Don’t use firefox “forks” just use Firefox and turn on the policy templates yourself (because that’s what they’re doing at the end of the day). Also, are you really trusting a small ring of either 1-3 people to make sure the most crucial program on your computer and in your life works properly?
Stop using Firefox “forks” they are not “forks” they are third-party mods. You will not escape
There is no “fork” of the web browser, it’s a software scheme designed to be nigh irreplaceable by anyone who is not a multi-billion dollar capitalist. Ladybird? More like Cloudflare’s next hottest investment as they diversify their business portfolio. Servo? Mozilla cuts their funding and they’re years and years away from getting where we are right now. Webkit? Tell anyone not using safari to wait a few seconds for webpages to load, or the endless trove of legacy plugins built up from decades to be discarded.
The solution of course, is to reject over complicated web standards and create a base featureset, but with people’s lives being dictated by capitalist owned infrastructure that can change and morph instantly at the behest of its owners, there is no solution under capitalism.
Mozilla has been controlled opposition for a long time. Sadly, we’re stuck with Firefox forks like Librewolf and Zen until a viable non-Chrome non-Firefox web browser comes along.
Dont hold your breath on a nonfascist web browser, or even a new web browser at all.
The total word count of the W3C specification catalogue is 114 million words at the time of writing.
https://drewdevault.com/2020/03/18/Reckless-limitless-scope.html
Based on Ladybird’s sponsorship terms we can assume that [it] received on the order of $100,000 USD from Cloudflare. I find this odd for a few reasons, in particular because one thing that I know is that [ladybird is] run by fascists.
https://drewdevault.com/2025/09/24/2025-09-24-Cloudflare-and-fascists.html
I refuse to use it until it also mines crypto from my browser and sends it to the most sexually harassy guy ever.
brave stance
Genuinely unbelievable that people ever supported Brave as an alternative to Firefox, or better than Chrome.
It always felt astroturfed to me. Like I’m sure there are some true believers now, but back when it started the hype seemed to come out of nowhere.
I still see people recommend it all the time. It’s maddening.
Fucking lol
new tagline material @CARCOSA@hexbear.net
Support the little parasites!
Mfw I realize this isn’t badposting:
spoiler
https://www.theverge.com/tech/845216/mozilla-ceo-anthony-enzor-demeo
At some point, though, Enzor-DeMeo will have to tend to Mozilla’s own business. “I do think we need revenue diversification away from Google,” he says, “but I don’t necessarily believe we need revenue diversification away from the browser.” It seems he thinks a combination of subscription revenue, advertising, and maybe a few search and AI placement deals can get that done. He’s also bullish that things like built-in VPN and a privacy service called Monitor can get more people to pay for their browser. He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission.
I don’t trust this CEO will not block ad blockers some day.
for context, the new CEO has been general manager of firefox for a couple of years now, and was all-in on the AI shit then too.
I do think Firefox has done some good shit since his appointment, such as holding steadfast on Manifest V2 (which protects ad blockers), mobile web extensions (Which I use to the web without ads on my android!) and rolling out improvements to the UI/UX.
However, Firefox is well behind on API adoption which leaves it looking a bit crap when you’re trying to access modern web apps like Photopea only to be told “oh yeah lol this feature isnt supported”. AI slop is gonna slow this adoption further if not managed!
I don’t think we should have infinite growth in web standards.
Photopea shouldn’t be a website.
Fair take
Don’t use bare bones Firefox people. Use a fork with all the dumb bullshit stripped out like Arkenfox, Betterfox, or Librewolf.
I refuse to use a product named Floorp on principle. I’m sorry, I have to draw the line somewhere with these stupid fucking naming conventions. Floorp, Ploopy, Dorfy, just fuck off already.
Floorp has it for you. You can browse it on floorp
Me making a fork of Floorp that’s literally just the exact same code verbatim but with a different name
Though in Floorp’s… :dying-inside: … defense… フロープ probably sounds at least slightly less embarrassing to monolingual Japanese ears who’d have different sound associations, more “flow” and “floor” than Floam Flubber Floop’s Fooglies.
Zen Browser also exists as a Firefox fork. Not sure how good it is.
Zen Browser Meh. It looks so weird to me. I guess I’m a trad in this regard but I like all my browser bullshit at the top like a normie.
I actually don’t have any browser shit visible in zen lol. Entire screen space for the site.
That’s cool. I tried it and it had the sidebar on the left. Its still in the pics on the site as well.
you can click on the book looking button at the top left to set it to auto-hide the sidebar, there’s also mods you can install in the settings that might change it
Holy fuck FUCK OFF I am so fucking sick of this shit and every single goddamn moron who supports AI
I can’t fucking stand it
If you defend AI you’re dead to me, I don’t want anything to do with you, I’m fucking DONE
I do not want to chat with something that spits out perfect Power Paragraphs. I hoped to never see a Power Paragraph again once I left high school. I do not want A and B and C reasons embedded into everything. I do not want a hyper-normative averaged-out response that is always being tweaked to be more sanitized and more habit-forming.
I do not want something with limitless encyclopedic knowledge to talk to. I do not think that increases my humanity. If I wanted to look something up in an encyclopedia I would do just that. I do not think that more data is automatically better.
I do not want something that I can substitute for in-person social contacts. I do not want something that responds consistently with cloying adulation. I do not want assistance from digital programming to sound at all like a human. I do not want an AI boyfriend/girlfriend. I was not impressed or excited by Cleverbot, I was too repulsed by the premise of Her to watch it, and I have no interest in any media about falling in love or even having a human conversation with a personality that runs on a computer processor.
I do not want more and more extensive hardware just to keep up with a living standard. I do not want to need exponentially more computing power to filter through exponentially larger mounds of content just to get the same quality search results from 10 years ago. I do not want to give more and more of my attention away to freshly-minted trillion-dollar oligopolies. I do not want to require a limitlessly increasing amount of electrical power to go about my life. I do not want to generate billions of data points. I do not want to be subsumed into a sea of data. I do not want to aggressively burn through the planet’s limited fossil fuel reserves, accelerating habitat loss and climate change, to take a long shot at some millenarian techno-utopia.
If you defend AI you’re dead to me, I don’t want anything to do with you, I’m fucking DONE
Same. I’ve had to go super low contact with one of the last communities I didn’t need to be anon with over their fucking AI waifu drivel talk and smug “this is as bad as AI will ever be, it can only progress from here” bullshit. Stupid fucks apparently don’t even have enough domain specific knowledge in ANYTHING to verify that LLMs are just stochastic text extruders.
“CHECK THIS CHATLOG OUT SEE! IT HAS A THEORY OF MIND!! IT HAS A WORLD MODEL” FUCK YOUUUUUU COME BACK TO ME WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE HALTING PROBLEM.
The fastest way to kill AI now is to use it for free. Just feed it total nonsense. I know that sounds terrible for the planet but these psychopaths are going to run it anyway.
Maybe I would use it if it had any fucking utility to begin with! I feel like I’m going completely insane because over like 3 years half the planet has decided that their entire lives now revolve around spinning tops. Everything has to have a spinning top integrated into it. Why do you hate spinning tops so much? Spinning tops are the future! Ok grandma ignore the spinning tops, we’ll all be here spinning them without you whenever you decide to wise up and get on the spinning top train. By the way we’ve committed to setting fire to every tree on Earth because they’re in the way of all the space we could be using for spinning tops. Also the ocean has GOT to go because that’s a lot of surface area that is underwater and not occupied by spinning tops. My son is 3 years old and has never known a world in which we don’t worship spinning tops. He spends at least three hours every day spinning in place in order to be more like God. We’re so proud of him! We can’t wait to see the spinning future he and his peers create!
I feel less alone after reading your rage.
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@CARCOSA@hexbear.net can this be a tagline?
“can this be a tagline”
the tagline in question:
That’s not the point. We need one solid hard crash that will traumatise the porkies. They are over a barrel and we must find every means available to cut deep and hit their credibility.
Again we are not driving this. It’s global capital who have created a product that can’t physically have enough customers to justify it’s cost (not including external like emissions, brainrot etc). Personal carbon footprint is a psyop spread by BP. You don’t choose to have most of the workforce commute by car. You don’t choose if LLMs are available to anybody 24/7 to the point of abuse for a subscription.
We can either be a wonderful shining beacon of purity that the masses will continue to ignore or we can start finding new ways to act against our extinction.
I don’t want a “modern AI browser”. I want a browser that works without any bloat and bullshit.
that’s w3m. You want some bloat.
gemini, no wait… gopher
I think browser companies see the impending doom of the web as we know it. With Sam Alman peddling the weird eye scanning orb that completely de-anonymized you from the internet (world.org). The bots that openai are championing will ruin the internet through sheer volume of garbage once they reach a commodifiable scale. Then you have openai making all sorts of backroom deals so their technology is the only technology that can run unencumbered, challenging cloudflare’s market power of effectively middlemanning the internet, by moving it to a browser level. We already have new search engine optimization startups for businesses but its for LLMs which is inherently non-human. AI browsers won’t improve our experience, we’re getting them because the web is transitioning to something that isn’t for humans, its for bots to navigate so you can buy a new airfrier with the least friction.
That shit is crashing
Idiots who don’t realise that the only reason people liked them is because they promised not to do this corporate shit
Mozilla is basically just a shell corporation for Google that allows Google to avoid anti-competition penalties. Like 80-90% of Mozilla revenue is just Google’s money. So they do what they’re told. Failson tech company.
well hey I guess maybe I’ll just stop browsing the web
