• F/15/Cali@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
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    The thing that elder scrolls does particularly well is worldbuilding. They accept the public’s history with these races and either expand or reject them entirely, and it’s all done convincingly. You aren’t in medieval Poland with monsters and magic, you’re not in Tolkien’s playground of languages and places, you’re in Tamriel where everyone is just awful, and that’s okay.

    Learning to quickly leave your notions behind is a fantastic. The “forget everything you learned in college” moments are a lot of fun, and I wish more franchises embraced that.

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    Morrowind is my favorite but I like how Daggerfall (being as big as a real country) has so many little towns and big cities that you can really find a unique place to live. Make your home in a small village or move to the big city. I lived in Sentinel City, the capital.

    I never finished any of the games though. They all have that one part that I can’t figure out or can’t bother to slog through

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      Only one I have finished is Oblivion when I was younger. I usually play TES games until I get bored of playing whatever character I made tbh, and I rarely pursue the main quest line at all, lol. Morrowind in particular has such compelling guild quest lines I will usually play through a couple of those then quit a character.

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        Yeah, me three.

        Morrowind is the best, I love the world so much, I just killed Vivec a few hours ago - mostly bcs I actually was doing the main quest and that just won’t do … if I look at the guides (Yagrum!) I can still kill this guy tho:

        … oh, wait, elder scrolls, not elden scrolls, my bad.

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    Again another bad take on the stormcloacks unlike conservatives claims about Christianity talos worship is really being repressed they are more like an extremely flawed colonial liberation movement than anything else.

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      Nah fam, racists are still racists. Religious oppression is definitely bad, but in the Skyrim scenario your choices are terrible. Support the Empire and oppress a religion, or support the Stormcloaks and condone the abuse and slavery of 3+ races.

      I won’t choose religious persecution willingly, but I will always choose NOT putting abusive racists in power.

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        Literal elf Nazis, and if I remember right the nativist guy was their unwitting agent per: their file on him you can steal in the embassy quest.

        So annoyed there wasnt a ‘stealth archer murderhobo’ option

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          I’m really tired of this document being given this much attention its just they may have let him escape their prison and also believed constant conflict was useful. But dismissing the storm cloaks because of this is like completely dismissing the bolsheviks because the Germans at least for a time believed the same with them and also let Lenin return.

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            Even so; I would have liked a prestige ‘kill em all’ ending.

            Also: Lenin wasn’t an ethnic supremacist and fascism wasn’t even a thing in 1917.

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        except by supporting the empire you are supporting literal thalmor occupation. When the government helps the thalmor roam your country hunting “heretics” that is an occupation.

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          You’re exactly right, it’s still the less terrible choice because it leaves an opportunity to fight back in the future. Rather than leave the empire to fall easily to the Aldmeri Dominion and Skyrim with less support, as well as Racist Ensalver Hold Leaders. Both suck.

          Ideally you’d have the Dragonborn reunite Skyrim under the empire, challenge the High Queen for the position and defat, not kill, her, become high king, and then claim the position of Emperor of the empire (oh look, someone in the Dark Brotherhood killed the emperor) due to Divine Right of Dragon Blood, kick all Thalmor (not high elves) out of the empire, decree the illegality of Racism and Challenge anyone in Cyrodill to 'Disagree with me via combat. ’

          But then we run into issues of “absolute power corrupts absolutely” and/or “what happens when Dragonborn no live no more”

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          Yes, but I think it’s also to remember that ulfric was funded by the thalmor. The whole point of the Skyrim secession movement was just to weaken the empire and ultimately make both territories easier to invade in the future.

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            No he wasn’t that literally never happened they may have let him escape and felt his fight weakened everyone but them but he wasn’t funded by them or anything like that and also far from the reason the succession movement existed. That’s like claiming Lenin was a German puppet and the bolshevik movement as a whole invalid because they let him return to Russia to do what he did.

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          The White-Gold-Concardat lets the Empire recover from the war. Humans breed faster than elves, so waiting benefits them. But a civil war makes the Empire too weak to fight the Dominion in the next war.

          Also Heimskr was fine until the Stormcloaks got him caught. Nobody cared that he was worshipping Talos. The law wasn’t being enforced.

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      Eh, Skyrim had been part of the empire for ages without much issue. I don’t think the problem is directly with the oppression of Talos worship as it is about what it stands for. Talos was a Man (vs a Mer) who became a Divine, a deity. The Stormcloaks is a rebellion of people who already didn’t like the armistice coopting nationalism and religious dissatisfaction over the only Man-god being pulled down.

      It’s very racial, as evidenced by them focusing on Nord-centric populism, and discriminating against ancestries that aren’t even part of the Aldmeri Dominion like Dunmer and Argonians.

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        okay and the empire betrayed those it “ruled” when it surrendered any sovereignty to protect its heartland against the majority of its population. Hell when the thalmor are roaming around skyrim arresting people with the blessing of the empire if they worship the gods they have worshiped for centuries the thalmor are occupying skyrim and the empire are nothing but collaborators that isn’t an exaggeration.