• @Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz
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    You’re not piloting a bone mech, you are it.

    It feels like you’re behind your face looking out into the world but once you pay close attention and look for what’s looking you’ll discover there’s nothing there. There’s no “you” in a sense that there’s someone behind the wheel. There’s just consciousness. It feels like something to be. A subjective experience.

  • @kameecoding@lemmy.world
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    well if you wanna go deeper then we are just processes running on a bio computer that’s our brain and nervous system.

    or if you wanna go deeper we are just a bunch of DNA that wants to replicate and spread.

    • @silentashes@sh.itjust.works
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      10 months ago

      It makes us an ECOSYSTEM!

      We’re not really “human” we”re more like… … a planet.

      or a forest, at least (soil, mycelium, roots, microbes, ferns, shrubs, squirrels, trees, clouds, rain, rivers…)

      (imho)

      • Promethiel
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        210 months ago

        This opinion is beautiful and I will now choose to follow it. It almost makes one feel a kinship with the eyelash mites.

    • @rockerface@lemm.ee
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      610 months ago

      Every death is just brain damage. Now that can be either caused by physical trauma or (more commonly) oxygen stops reaching the brain for one reason or another. Oh and I guess sometimes a virus or a tumor invades the brain and eats up most of it.

      • @UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml
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        210 months ago

        Oh and I guess sometimes a virus or a tumor invades the brain and eats up most of it.

        Rabies being the most common I think

  • @Wage_slave@lemmy.ml
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    910 months ago

    I call my blood balloon stick mech The Vessel.

    The Vessel is fucked up, but the spirit piloting the mess is doing great.

  • @silentashes@sh.itjust.works
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    810 months ago

    What a terribly reductionist POV.

    A few antidotes:

    study and learn Somatic Experiencing. (Where in your body do you feel a given emotion ? Where is tension felt? where is relaxation felt? where is sadness felt? )

    study some real yoga (not stretching

    but actual yoga ie meditation breath-work soma practices )

    • The Lives of a Cell (1970s? 1980s? Lewis Carrol, iirc)

    • The Hidden Life of Trees (2016)

    • The Dawn of Everything : A New History of Humanity (D. Graeber and D. Wengrow)

    • Being Bodies

    • Somatic Experiencing

    • Sex At Dawn

    • The Story of B (Daniel Quinn)


      • @silentashes@sh.itjust.works
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        710 months ago

        lol i know

        thank you for the kind reply

        aaannnd art is in the eye of the beholder so idk not necessarily for the OP needing to read it

        moreso for those who (as w many of us) hv poor/low sense of self-value/self-resilience

        i just hear that a lot from tech nerds “my body is stupid/irrational” etc

        and it’s like “or maybe we need better models to listen to & make sense of it”

        • @BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.worldOP
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          710 months ago

          I enjoy your answer, I truly do. We do need better models. I just don’t know how we ended up with credit scores and being beholden much of our time to either staring at a spreadsheet or putting up with some customers yelling at us. Life is pretty absurd when you think it over.

    • TimeSquirrel
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      10 months ago

      Goes more abstract than that. Our being is the unique interconnected pattern we all have of billions of firing neurons. Erase the pattern and you erase the human and make them a blank slate infant again. We are just software.

      • @Ramvorg
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        TLDR; We are the entire universe pretending to be an individual.

        I like where you are going with it, but I think it’s more crazy than that. It seems that the idea of self/individual is an illusion. We think of our self’s as just our brain. But we are much more than that. There is an inter connectivity between our brain and the rest of our body that science is now just starting to understand. On top of that, we have everything else outside our body that we need to survive/can influence our health and train of thought.

        As an example, think of all the things you can/can’t control with your body. Heart rate, digestion, fighting off infections, what mood you are in, etc.

        This is where breath work in yoga/meditating comes in. It’s the most obvious example of a physiological process that is involuntary but also voluntary. Focus on that, and you can start blur the boundary between self and other.

        So the question is, “where do “I” end, and where does “everything else” begin”?

        Turns out that there is no solid or non-subjective answer to that.

        It’s almost as if our ideas of “self” are an illusion in order to birth the evolutionary advantageous behavior of being social.

        Anyway…I’m starting to feel the edible… have a great Labor Day!

      • Promethiel
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        110 months ago

        Previously formed neural pathways, epigenetics, nascent research into gut microbiota and cognition. It’s even more abstract and amazing than just software.

        Erase the neuronic pattern and the frame work that led to a big part of what that person was still remains.

        You lose memory, but there’s a very real argument to be made that we’re a trickier stack of firmware, software, and hardware acceleration to keep your analogy.

        The newly minted infant homunculi in this hypothetical total loss of the “pattern” would (given their environment supports enough resources) find themselves becoming something significantly alike what was there before.

        It happens all the time with smaller and not as thorough distractions to that pattern after all.

        That’s my take anyhow.

      • @silentashes@sh.itjust.works
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        110 months ago

        Counterpoint

        1. Our present domination global culture is biased to place a higher value on brain vs. body function— see eg someone “declared ‘brain-dead’”… … or in a coma.

        2. People w damaged or missing body parts will say that they no longer feel like themselves

  • @BilboBargains@lemmy.world
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    510 months ago

    But where are you really? Behind your eyes? We become aware of sensations in the body but how can they be above or below us? The sensory data just is, there’s no place we receive it from, it just appears and then disappears. Any label we put on this is just a convenient conceptual overlay that attempts to make sense of it and give it meaning. There is no meaning, only emptiness.

      • @BilboBargains@lemmy.world
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        110 months ago

        Indeed. Sometimes we get injured and don’t notice it. Other times we feel pain and there is no injury. We’re attempting to make sense of experience by applying concepts to what we feel. It’s the reason why chronic pain management using drugs is unsustainable.

      • @Wogi@lemmy.world
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        410 months ago

        I dunno. Organic space suit implies that the nervous system could survive independently of it. But it can’t.

        You need to get blood to the brain, so you need a heart. That blood needs oxygen so you need lungs. You need some way of getting energy to these systems, so you need a digestive system, which starts at your lips and forms a frighteningly long tunnel that ends at your butt. Now you’re introducing weird shit to your blood beyond just oxygen so you need a few systems to keep the blood clean. Now you’ve got all kinds of different needs and so you have other orgasms to keep those organs alive and functioning. Oh and because your blood is also alive, it dies and you need a way to make more. Quite efficiently this is done in your bones. But for the sake of argument let’s say this is possible without the bones themselves.

        I’d say the space suit starts at the immune system, and ends at the skin, which is really an extension of the immune system but there’s muscle in there. You could, theoretically, survive without any muscle or skin, or even an immune system in a clean environment, as long as you had a way to obtain calories and Oxygen independently. Though going to the bathroom would be hard.

      • @silentashes@sh.itjust.works
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        110 months ago

        both of you PLEASE put a CW warning on that

        not everyone has huge screens so we tap it and then ::vomit::

        CW morbid human nervous system anatomy, decoupled from rest of body

    • @silentashes@sh.itjust.works
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      210 months ago

      both of you PLEASE put a CW warning on that

      not everyone has huge screens so we tap it and then ::vomit::

      CW morbid human nervous system anatomy, decoupled from rest of body

  • Captain Aggravated
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    410 months ago

    What’s the line from Cruelty Squad? “I am a meat automaton animated by neurotransmitters?”