It’s kind of wild how everyday groceries get framed as luxuries. Sometimes people are just trying to eat something convenient and affordable, not make a statement about their finances.
ready to eat hot food is a luxury. it’s not groceries. groceries is stuff you have to prep and cook. if you want stuff you don’t have to prep, or cook, it’s generally going to cost you more, in either value or quality.
it’s just that whole foods and other groceries normalized the concept of hot ready to eat meals being served in grocery stores. that was never a thing 20+ years ago. when i was a kid they had a tiny hot bar, and it was shitty. now my local whole foods 1/4 of the store is devoted to this type of product. and it’s hugely profitable because people value convenience.
is international travel a luxury or a necessity? where I live, people think it’s the latter and if you aren’t traveling multiple times per year, they think you are living in poverty. that is regardless of finances and many people are going into debt to travel because they know it’s not socially acceptable to not travel. i know 28 year olds making 30K a year who are dropping 5-10K a year traveling.
people’s frames of reference for what a ‘necessity’ in 2026 is not exactly objective.
Ready to eat hot food that is cheaper than the ingredients to make it, is not a luxury.
Especially if it can be refrigerated and made to last for over a week, used to supplement other foods such like chicken quesadillas, chicken soup, broth and chicken salad.
Having to prep and cook is such a narrow minded way to look at things, and a way to look down at what people do to survive.
Does the fact that I can just bite into a tomato and eat it without preparation or cooking make it not a grocery? Hell, I can even do that with oatmeal if I’m down on protein and fiber.
Exactly. Additionally a lot of low income families lack the knowledge of how to properly prepare a chicken, or the equipment to do it well. When the difference is 20¢ a pound for an already seasoned and prepared bird its not really luxury prices. Luxury is like some $50 chicken wrapped in gold bullshit topped with exotic flower pistols.
These aren’t properly prepared chickens. They are McChickens. They are fast food that is full of artificial crap to make it taste good.
Low income people eat a lot of fast food because it’s an affordable luxury for them. That doesn’t mean it’s not a luxury, or that it’s a good choice to make a regular part of your diet. Especially due to the long affects.
One of the first things you figure out when you get out of being poor is that paying more for food is not a luxury, it’s a necessity for a higher quality of life overall. I got this lesson in college, which was the first time it was regularly available to me.
when I was 14 years old and eating shitty food everyday, I thought healthy food was ‘gross’ and ‘crazy expensive’. I was wrong. I was just poor and trapped in a poor person’s mindset and had no idea about long term costs because i was consumed with getting things as quickly as possible for as cheap as possible.
You keep going on and on aggrandizing your own very limited experience. “When I was young… when I was poor… when I was in college… after I wasn’t poor”. Do you hear yourself?
This might come as a shock, but not every low income person has the same opportunities you did or the same resources. Just because you found a path out doesn’t give you license to oversimplify the many situational nuances that come with being poor, nor did it give you some special knowledge to lead you to think you’ve somehow solved poverty.
I’m glad you’ve bettered your financial circumstances, but you seem to have lost something else important along the way.
I grew up in a poor community and watched lots of people throw their lives away. They had just as much opportunity as I did, oftentimes, they had more than I did.
Being poor sucks, but nobody is coming to save poor people. They have to save themselves. That’s how it’s always been and how it will always be. Thinking that someday someone will come lift you out of poverty is the most surefire way to stay in it forever.
Call it self-aggrandizing if you want, but the reality of the world is harsh. And yeah it sucks, because the funny thing about working your way out of being poor is that poor people hate and resent you for it and start blaming you for their problems and demanding that you owe. I remember when I got my first job out of college and my old high school friends working minimum wage jobs at home started asking me for money and calling me a selfish greedy asshole for not giving it to them… the same one who dropped out of college because it was ‘too hard’.
I agree that a rotisserie is closer to fast food, but I was saying most low income people are lacking any food education to make a properly prepared chicken. Most low income prople who are suffering the effects of dollars a day making a difference also lack the education of the why, where, and how they can prepare equivalent priced meals that are better for them. To some this is all they know.
I also got a lesson in college, a privalidge that you and I were able to afford that some prople genuinely never got the opportunity, and those people are the ones truly suffering from the effect of “luxury” rotisseries.
I know that. I have had partners and friends who were like this. Just because someone is all that you know, doesn’t mean isn’t a self-defeating self-impoverishing cycle of choices.
Just because a choice is easy and convenient and seemingly cheap doesn’t make it a good choice. There are other choices, even if you don’t know they exist. Especially with the internet in everyone’s pocket. What is stopping someone from just looking up a recipe?
I think you misunderstand the general state of people suffering from the effects of companies forcing this upon us. For you and I it is as simple as look up a recipe and do it, some people truly do not know. They don’t know to look for something else. They dont know if something is unhealthy.
however engaging in poverty finance is a way to keep yourself in poverty as it prevents you from developing smarter and healthier behaviors around food and persisting in myths and thought patterns that are objectively unhealthy and defeating.
I know this from personal experience. cheap ready to eat food is awful for you and long term does way more damage to your health and fiances than learning to cook healthy food at home. cooking for yourself is objectively healthier as you get to control what goes into your food.
but yeah if you are narrow terms of gratification and raw cost, why not just grind up the chickens into hot protein paste and let the poors eat that? or perhaps we think there is more to life than calories and macronutrients?
fast food prices used to be similar, was that a healthy smart way to get calories? a burger and fries from mcdonalds used to be 3 bucks or so. for a lot of struggling people, it certainly was a standard option until recently and the one by me is still full of housing project kids everyday.
When the pre-made food is cheaper than uncooked food, how is it a luxury?
You think people should pay more for food, then bitch about people spending too much?
Get the hell out of here.
Also, from your previous comment:
it’s just that whole foods and other groceries normalized the concept of hot ready to eat meals being served in grocery stores. that was never a thing 20+ years ago.
I literally worked at the Deli in a wal mart in small town Ontario 20 years ago when I was in my late teens cooking the rotisserie chicken you’re bitching about didn’t exist.
You’re either trolling everyone here, or a completely disconnected moron.
Lol you’re changing the topic because you know he’s right. If someone else cooks my meal for me, regardless of price, that’s a luxury. If it costs $1 or $100, the act of another person preparing and cooking my food instead of having to do it myself is something I would consider a luxury. If it was free I would still consider the act of another person cooking my food for me a luxury. Its not about price or how much the ingredients cost separately.
Because if you don’t consider having someone else make your food a luxury, what is it? Normal? Expected? Do you not cook your own food? It’s wild you just call “troll” cuz he has a different opinion than you. If anything you and the people shadow boxing his comments are the trolls.
Thanks. Yeah that’s part of the point I’m trying to make.
But people don’t see the world that way… they see premade food as some sort of normal thing. And ironically all the nutrionists and public health people straight up tell us that premade stuff is unhealthy and problematic in both terms of nutrition and cost. Cheap food is always full of additives and shitty stuff. Natural foods are not, but they cost more. Better food production practices and regulations, cost more, etc.
But people just want see the sticker price in front of their face and ignore all the things that go into that price and don’t want to talk about them because acknowledging how the supply system works is ‘trolling’ because it makes them uncomfortable. The existence of $6 ready to eat roasters is seem some inherently good and worthy thing… but it isn’t when you start to ask why they cost so little.
I did, but you’re being a typical lemmy troll who refuses to acknowledge any counter point to your simplified narrative that lacks any context because you want to bite the ragebait that makes you feel morally superior for doing so.
the article is designed to make you upset and troll you by going at your bias that premade grocery store chickens are some sort of nutritional necessity that is liberating people from the doldrums of their suffering at the evils of capitalism… even though it the chickens being sold like this is really an evil of capitalism itself.
you can’t have your pre-made chicken rage and eat it too!
I did, but you’re being a typical lemmy troll who refuses to acknowledge any counter point to your simplified narrative that lacks any
In fairness, like the troll you accuse everyone else of being, you have zero proof for your claim that these chickens have somehow been modified to be shittier for you, and that’s why they’re cheaper.
it’s just that whole foods and other groceries normalized the concept of hot ready to eat meals being served in grocery stores. that was never a thing 20+ years ago.
Sorry you apparently grew up in bumfuck nowhere, pal. The Hannafords in the sticks that I worked at in high school, more than 20 years ago, had plenty of rotisserie chickens, and had them long before I started working there.
You’ve gone and invented a massive conspiracy that ignores a simple reality. Offering rotisserie chickens as a loss leader is a simple and effective way to a) move whole chickens with minor blemishes and b) get people in the store with the promise of a cheap bird that almost always required you head to the back of the store, where they could count on you seeing several things “I may as well get while I’m here” to make up for whatever loss they sell the rotisserie chickens here.
I’ve worked in several major grocery stores in different regions, and never encountered any evidence of this nonsense you’re so indignant people won’t swallow wholeheartedly.
tl;dr: Show some proof or shut the fuck up, you muppet. Your own screeds do not count as proof, let’s see some external links.
whatever proof i gave you you’d deny. you can google it. these chickens are overwhelmingly prepared with injections of salt, fat and butter and plenty of outlets have tested them and they have massive levels of sodium, saturated fat, and other stuff like preservatives and chemicals that makes them processed if not ultra processed foods.
it’s not a conspiracy, it’s how our food supply works.
Hannafords is small chain, we’re talking about Costco and Walmart in this thread. Perhaps their chickens are better. I have been to a few of them in my area and they are an expensive store with more premium products. Whole foods has them too and theirs aren’t cheap and are probably more natural.
no, what I’m asking is how a ready to eat food product that is cheaper than the raw materials alternative is considered a luxury in this context
I understand that ready to eat food itself is somewhat of a luxury, but that is not what is being discussed - what is being discussed is the cost of the food.
this is a version of fast food. that’s why it’s a luxury.
it’s also a factor of true cost vs the fact these are sold at a loss and understanding the psychology therein that gets people to buy more than they otherwise would.
Idk what’s up with the downvotes. I think you’re right, having someone else cook and prepare my food for me IS something I consider a luxury. Same as if someone else cleaned my dishes or did my laundry. I’m not commenting on the “quality” of the food, or the cost, just the idea of someone else cooking and prepping my food for me.
people aren’t reading or thinking, they are just being outraged that their entitlement is being called out.
i get this a lot with travel too. travel is a luxury, but if you say that people tell you are a close minded asshole and that travel is a necessity for their well-being and happiness and if isn’t for yours you are mentally ill.
millenials and gen z travel way more than ever and spend massive amounts on it and then cry poor about not being able to spend more on it.
It’s kind of wild how everyday groceries get framed as luxuries. Sometimes people are just trying to eat something convenient and affordable, not make a statement about their finances.
ready to eat hot food is a luxury. it’s not groceries. groceries is stuff you have to prep and cook. if you want stuff you don’t have to prep, or cook, it’s generally going to cost you more, in either value or quality.
it’s just that whole foods and other groceries normalized the concept of hot ready to eat meals being served in grocery stores. that was never a thing 20+ years ago. when i was a kid they had a tiny hot bar, and it was shitty. now my local whole foods 1/4 of the store is devoted to this type of product. and it’s hugely profitable because people value convenience.
is international travel a luxury or a necessity? where I live, people think it’s the latter and if you aren’t traveling multiple times per year, they think you are living in poverty. that is regardless of finances and many people are going into debt to travel because they know it’s not socially acceptable to not travel. i know 28 year olds making 30K a year who are dropping 5-10K a year traveling.
people’s frames of reference for what a ‘necessity’ in 2026 is not exactly objective.
TIL eating at a soup kitchen (ready to eat hot food) is a luxury.
a soup kitchen is for the homeless.
the homeless aren’t buying 5 dollar rotisserie chickens
How is it a luxury if it’s cheaper than actual frozen whole chicken?
because the true cost is hidden
Ready to eat hot food that is cheaper than the ingredients to make it, is not a luxury.
Especially if it can be refrigerated and made to last for over a week, used to supplement other foods such like chicken quesadillas, chicken soup, broth and chicken salad.
Having to prep and cook is such a narrow minded way to look at things, and a way to look down at what people do to survive.
Does the fact that I can just bite into a tomato and eat it without preparation or cooking make it not a grocery? Hell, I can even do that with oatmeal if I’m down on protein and fiber.
Exactly. Additionally a lot of low income families lack the knowledge of how to properly prepare a chicken, or the equipment to do it well. When the difference is 20¢ a pound for an already seasoned and prepared bird its not really luxury prices. Luxury is like some $50 chicken wrapped in gold bullshit topped with exotic flower pistols.
These aren’t properly prepared chickens. They are McChickens. They are fast food that is full of artificial crap to make it taste good.
Low income people eat a lot of fast food because it’s an affordable luxury for them. That doesn’t mean it’s not a luxury, or that it’s a good choice to make a regular part of your diet. Especially due to the long affects.
One of the first things you figure out when you get out of being poor is that paying more for food is not a luxury, it’s a necessity for a higher quality of life overall. I got this lesson in college, which was the first time it was regularly available to me.
when I was 14 years old and eating shitty food everyday, I thought healthy food was ‘gross’ and ‘crazy expensive’. I was wrong. I was just poor and trapped in a poor person’s mindset and had no idea about long term costs because i was consumed with getting things as quickly as possible for as cheap as possible.
You’re a troll. Go away.
You keep going on and on aggrandizing your own very limited experience. “When I was young… when I was poor… when I was in college… after I wasn’t poor”. Do you hear yourself?
This might come as a shock, but not every low income person has the same opportunities you did or the same resources. Just because you found a path out doesn’t give you license to oversimplify the many situational nuances that come with being poor, nor did it give you some special knowledge to lead you to think you’ve somehow solved poverty.
I’m glad you’ve bettered your financial circumstances, but you seem to have lost something else important along the way.
I grew up in a poor community and watched lots of people throw their lives away. They had just as much opportunity as I did, oftentimes, they had more than I did.
Being poor sucks, but nobody is coming to save poor people. They have to save themselves. That’s how it’s always been and how it will always be. Thinking that someday someone will come lift you out of poverty is the most surefire way to stay in it forever.
Call it self-aggrandizing if you want, but the reality of the world is harsh. And yeah it sucks, because the funny thing about working your way out of being poor is that poor people hate and resent you for it and start blaming you for their problems and demanding that you owe. I remember when I got my first job out of college and my old high school friends working minimum wage jobs at home started asking me for money and calling me a selfish greedy asshole for not giving it to them… the same one who dropped out of college because it was ‘too hard’.
I agree that a rotisserie is closer to fast food, but I was saying most low income people are lacking any food education to make a properly prepared chicken. Most low income prople who are suffering the effects of dollars a day making a difference also lack the education of the why, where, and how they can prepare equivalent priced meals that are better for them. To some this is all they know.
I also got a lesson in college, a privalidge that you and I were able to afford that some prople genuinely never got the opportunity, and those people are the ones truly suffering from the effect of “luxury” rotisseries.
I know that. I have had partners and friends who were like this. Just because someone is all that you know, doesn’t mean isn’t a self-defeating self-impoverishing cycle of choices.
Just because a choice is easy and convenient and seemingly cheap doesn’t make it a good choice. There are other choices, even if you don’t know they exist. Especially with the internet in everyone’s pocket. What is stopping someone from just looking up a recipe?
I think you misunderstand the general state of people suffering from the effects of companies forcing this upon us. For you and I it is as simple as look up a recipe and do it, some people truly do not know. They don’t know to look for something else. They dont know if something is unhealthy.
you can eat however you want.
however engaging in poverty finance is a way to keep yourself in poverty as it prevents you from developing smarter and healthier behaviors around food and persisting in myths and thought patterns that are objectively unhealthy and defeating.
I know this from personal experience. cheap ready to eat food is awful for you and long term does way more damage to your health and fiances than learning to cook healthy food at home. cooking for yourself is objectively healthier as you get to control what goes into your food.
but yeah if you are narrow terms of gratification and raw cost, why not just grind up the chickens into hot protein paste and let the poors eat that? or perhaps we think there is more to life than calories and macronutrients?
since when was 3-4 meals of tasty protein for under $10 considered a luxury?
because it’s premade food.
fast food prices used to be similar, was that a healthy smart way to get calories? a burger and fries from mcdonalds used to be 3 bucks or so. for a lot of struggling people, it certainly was a standard option until recently and the one by me is still full of housing project kids everyday.
When the pre-made food is cheaper than uncooked food, how is it a luxury?
You think people should pay more for food, then bitch about people spending too much?
Get the hell out of here.
Also, from your previous comment:
I literally worked at the Deli in a wal mart in small town Ontario 20 years ago when I was in my late teens cooking the rotisserie chicken you’re bitching about didn’t exist.
You’re either trolling everyone here, or a completely disconnected moron.
Lol you’re changing the topic because you know he’s right. If someone else cooks my meal for me, regardless of price, that’s a luxury. If it costs $1 or $100, the act of another person preparing and cooking my food instead of having to do it myself is something I would consider a luxury. If it was free I would still consider the act of another person cooking my food for me a luxury. Its not about price or how much the ingredients cost separately.
Because if you don’t consider having someone else make your food a luxury, what is it? Normal? Expected? Do you not cook your own food? It’s wild you just call “troll” cuz he has a different opinion than you. If anything you and the people shadow boxing his comments are the trolls.
Thanks. Yeah that’s part of the point I’m trying to make.
But people don’t see the world that way… they see premade food as some sort of normal thing. And ironically all the nutrionists and public health people straight up tell us that premade stuff is unhealthy and problematic in both terms of nutrition and cost. Cheap food is always full of additives and shitty stuff. Natural foods are not, but they cost more. Better food production practices and regulations, cost more, etc.
But people just want see the sticker price in front of their face and ignore all the things that go into that price and don’t want to talk about them because acknowledging how the supply system works is ‘trolling’ because it makes them uncomfortable. The existence of $6 ready to eat roasters is seem some inherently good and worthy thing… but it isn’t when you start to ask why they cost so little.
you didn’t answer the question
I did, but you’re being a typical lemmy troll who refuses to acknowledge any counter point to your simplified narrative that lacks any context because you want to bite the ragebait that makes you feel morally superior for doing so.
the article is designed to make you upset and troll you by going at your bias that premade grocery store chickens are some sort of nutritional necessity that is liberating people from the doldrums of their suffering at the evils of capitalism… even though it the chickens being sold like this is really an evil of capitalism itself.
you can’t have your pre-made chicken rage and eat it too!
In fairness, like the troll you accuse everyone else of being, you have zero proof for your claim that these chickens have somehow been modified to be shittier for you, and that’s why they’re cheaper.
Sorry you apparently grew up in bumfuck nowhere, pal. The Hannafords in the sticks that I worked at in high school, more than 20 years ago, had plenty of rotisserie chickens, and had them long before I started working there.
You’ve gone and invented a massive conspiracy that ignores a simple reality. Offering rotisserie chickens as a loss leader is a simple and effective way to a) move whole chickens with minor blemishes and b) get people in the store with the promise of a cheap bird that almost always required you head to the back of the store, where they could count on you seeing several things “I may as well get while I’m here” to make up for whatever loss they sell the rotisserie chickens here.
I’ve worked in several major grocery stores in different regions, and never encountered any evidence of this nonsense you’re so indignant people won’t swallow wholeheartedly.
tl;dr: Show some proof or shut the fuck up, you muppet. Your own screeds do not count as proof, let’s see some external links.
whatever proof i gave you you’d deny. you can google it. these chickens are overwhelmingly prepared with injections of salt, fat and butter and plenty of outlets have tested them and they have massive levels of sodium, saturated fat, and other stuff like preservatives and chemicals that makes them processed if not ultra processed foods.
it’s not a conspiracy, it’s how our food supply works.
Hannafords is small chain, we’re talking about Costco and Walmart in this thread. Perhaps their chickens are better. I have been to a few of them in my area and they are an expensive store with more premium products. Whole foods has them too and theirs aren’t cheap and are probably more natural.
no, what I’m asking is how a ready to eat food product that is cheaper than the raw materials alternative is considered a luxury in this context
I understand that ready to eat food itself is somewhat of a luxury, but that is not what is being discussed - what is being discussed is the cost of the food.
is fast food a luxury or a necessity?
this is a version of fast food. that’s why it’s a luxury.
it’s also a factor of true cost vs the fact these are sold at a loss and understanding the psychology therein that gets people to buy more than they otherwise would.
No no, you see when you pay any amount beyond what is absolutely necessary to survive then you are spoiled by luxury. /S
It is cheaper by weight. Also, it’s seasoned, already made, and can make multiple meals. Costvo loses money on rotisserie chicken. Just like they lose money on hotdogs.
Rotisserie Chicken is cheaper than groceries. The expensive “luxury” is the grocery in this case.
Idk what’s up with the downvotes. I think you’re right, having someone else cook and prepare my food for me IS something I consider a luxury. Same as if someone else cleaned my dishes or did my laundry. I’m not commenting on the “quality” of the food, or the cost, just the idea of someone else cooking and prepping my food for me.
people aren’t reading or thinking, they are just being outraged that their entitlement is being called out.
i get this a lot with travel too. travel is a luxury, but if you say that people tell you are a close minded asshole and that travel is a necessity for their well-being and happiness and if isn’t for yours you are mentally ill.
millenials and gen z travel way more than ever and spend massive amounts on it and then cry poor about not being able to spend more on it.