https://www.youtube.com/live/Tf_UjBMIzNo

Feels weird to be doing these “yay humanity” things in the context of the war on Iran. I suppose the Apollo missions happened with the backdrop of the imperialist wars in Southeast Asia (Korea, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, …)

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      Well, the rest of us will slug it out with the naysayers of humanity while you sleep for the next four years. Sweet dreams, I guess.

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          Probably get dead or sent to prison. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the Nazis are back. Pretty sure we’re going to have to fight them again. But by all means, sleep through it.

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            I’m not sure how what I said meant that I was sleeping on the issue of Nazis, and I’m not sure what you or me cheerleading for the nazi rocket is going to do to help

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              Rocket science isn’t a Nazi’s alone thing, it’s built on years of physics, and many other scientists around the world were working on how to translate the physics into a physical device. The dubious honor of Germany building the first successful ones will always be a part of history. But much like no one who knows a wheel exists reinvents it from scratch for the sake of doing it, nobody reinvented the rocket from scratch once they knew it existed. Paperclip grabbed Von Braun, the Soviets grabbed a ton of his engineers for their program, and China’s rocket systems are built by their scientists on the science of the systems that were developed before them. All three have diverged into their own methods, but science shares information, and no matter who does it, the US, China, Russia, the EU, India, the science will always be tied to Germany.

              As for why I would be able to appreciate even a marginal effort at a scientific expedition. Well, here in the US we have a regime and a substantial part of the population who are terrifyingly opposed to science, as well as billionaires who want to privatize space exploration. The fact that NASA still exists at is astounding. It’s nice to see my tax dollars go towards a rocket that sends humans around the moon for the sake of seeing if we can go around the moon instead of towards a rocket that some genocidal zealots use to bomb refugee camps or a drunken tv host uses to jump start Armageddon. Science for the sake of science and not at the expense of another is not a team vs team sport. Whatever goes right or wrong on this mission is just data someone else can use to adjust their own program. And really, crewed expeditions to the moon and back, even without landing, are still a helluva lot more difficult than even getting into orbit and back safely.

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                I’m sorry, but your tax dollars were sucked up by private firms masquerading as a national agency. How much have they now spent on this project? And all they have done is built a dangerous rocket from recycled shuttle parts.

                I think you overestimate the benefit to science that this mission will bring and personally I see this more as a propaganda mission.

                The lofty language about science, humanity and peace falls flat for me when the country doing it is the United States, and when the key beneficiaries will first and foremost always be the US MIC. This isn’t For all Mankind. Boundaries aren’t being pushed.

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                  Eh, yeah, well. Such is the current status of living in the US until we get our shit together and get rid of the voting base that elects these people and empowers their industries. It’d take a rocket to knock them off their tower, but start knocking bricks out of their foundation and you might you might topple it.

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    i would not want to be a USian astronaut these days. in my ignorant opinion it’s probably far more dangerous today than it was in the 60s when they were trying to do everything right to prove they could do it at all.

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        Always was, NASA doesn’t build rockets, it gives money to military contractors and sometimes gets a rocket out of it.

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      yes and no. things were over-engineered in the very beginning but then by the time we get to challenger the budget cuts and shit start to creep in.

      in the early days theyd overengineer the wrong things and come up short on things we literally didnt know about so its give and take in this regard

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    A much more interesting mission that is happening in August is the launch of Chang’e 7. This will be the first serious exploration of the Lunar south pole and Shackleton crater as a source of water and other resources essential to a permanent base. It will include a hopping rover to aid in the search. Like the previous Chang’e missions it will probably go unnoticed as the program continues to innovate the field of robotic exploration.

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    Yea my chud coworker was going around asking if people heard about it and then laughing about how no one gives a shit

    I didn’t even know the U.S. was attempting anything, when he asked me i thought it was about china

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    The SLS and Artemis program took so long to come to fruition that they were already outdated the moment they rolled out to the pad. I guess I hope it works but the last time they flew the Orion capsule it was a miracle that the thing managed to make it back home at all.

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    Not what I meant when I said I miss the Cold War, and specifically the scientific spirit of the Space Race.


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