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      the last time I checked (based on a detailed post within the last week on hexbear) there were about 45m barrels left before it hits the 250m line where legally only the military can draw from it. at the draw rates we are seeing (~5mb/week?) that is 9 weeks. but even if they disregard that rule there are physical limits on how low the SPR can be drawn and the quality gets bad as you get down low

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        man this shit is just so confusing. Obviously bad shit is happening and heading our way. (Fun to type this as the sky darkens from a storm) but it’s just so hard to get a good read on the specifics. Is that one purpose? I’m assuming that is on purpose. (Another game of on purpose, bad capitalist practices, or both!)

      • but even if they disregard that rule there are physical limits on how low the SPR can be drawn and the quality gets bad as you get down low

        My understanding of how the reserve storage works is that the “you can only draw so much before the whole thing is ruined” is kind of overblown because they’re literally just pumping it into geological salt formations and there’s plenty of other salt domes still in a condition to be used

        this is separate from them physically not being able to pump out the last bits from the current domes used for storage, though. I’m just mentioning it because when I first read about the SPR collapsing I was like, wow, seems bad. I thought it would permanently destroy our ability to store oil if we let it collapse. But that doesn’t seem to be the case

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        There’s a few months left at current draw rates but the lower the reserve gets the worse the quality of the drawn oil and the more they’re forced to draw to compensate and the less stable the reserve caverns become

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          If the caverns collapse - no biggie. Trump knows some guyz - construction guyz - work real real quick (quick!) - make new ones in no time. Bigger. Better. Stronger. More powerful. And it will be an emergency so no environmental protection stuff. No! And EPA rubber stamp because it needs to happen fast-fast.

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      If they keep drawing from the reserve at ~3 million barrels per week (as is about the average for the past few weeks), they have about 100 weeks (almost two years) until the reserve is fully empty. Of course some of the oil at the bottom will not be usable but it’s hard to find out exactly how much, so I guess 11 months is a pretty reasonable figure.

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      I believe this month will tip it into the lower quality oil which is harder to process/is unclear how much is just sludge. 250,000-280,000 barrels is that tipping point iirc, currently there’s 304,000 and they use ~25,000 barrels a month

      At 80,000 left in the reserve the facilities will be risking permanent damage by removing any more oil, I think they have to flood the caves and the oil rises to be scooped up

      There’s some oil still coming through Oman and Saudi but that may be just delaying the inevitable collapse til the US is in the dead of winter

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    man I gotta get this move done before the shit hits the fan. do not want to be paying for moving van gas when its 20$ a gallon.

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          Not exactly. Back in the 80s, the refineries switched over to processing the cheap and “bad” stuff (heavy, sour) into the same products you could easily make with the expensive and “good” stuff (light, sweet). The cost of the “bad” crude is much lower than the domestically produced crude, but the process to turn it into gasoline is more “expensive” based on the infrastructure investment which has already been built.

          The US hasn’t built a new refinery in almost 50 years iirc. The lead time to reconfigure refineries to process domestically produced light sweet crude would involve shutting down the refineries and rebuilding over a period of about 5 years.

          The US isn’t willing to stop refining oil for half a decade, plus of course infrastructure projects in the US always take far longer and cost far more than initially anticipated, assuming they ever get completed.

          Most of the heavy, sour crude oil the US refines comes from Venezuela, the Gulf of Mexico, and Alberta.

    • a critical piece i’ve come to understand this year is that processing fuel into diesel (aka No. 2 Fuel Oil) is a bit of a bottleneck globally. so in the current landscape, US capital formations control a lot of that capacity for processing but the demand for that capacity exceeds global supply.

      a lot of heavy equipment and transport logistics rely heavily on diesel, as does agriculture. so aside from places that have been pivoting to electrification for this sort of heavy machinery, the demand pressure for strategic use is strong. like not so much Bozo Chungus in his Ford F350, but CSX and Norfolk Southern and other logistics companies that more or less funnel materials and consumer goods into the bottomless maws of america. so capital formations all over are bidding up that diesel refining capacity and continue to drive diesel prices higher and higher because simply not enough of it is being created. china and the US are by far the most dominant countries in terms of capacity for refining diesel and certainly china is/will deploy this strategically. the US will allow it to be controlled by the highest bidder.

      theoretically, the US government could try to reserve that capacity for the domestic market only (especially logistics, agriculture, and heating) as some kind of national security/stabilization act but it would go against the most empowered formations under Trump who are making a killing right now (and likely induce some kind of existential resistance strategy that they must have planned for) also, it would be absolutely brutal for europe and much of the world.