I’m not sure what is chat surveillance protocol but whatever would be the result any benifits will probably only apply to EU citizens. I recently heard of how Russia’s biggest XMPP server was MitM’ed, it was hosted in Hetzner

It feels like everyone wants to eavesdrop on everyone else, preferably, or at least on everyone who’s not proteted by the local law. Still the US is a worse case of the spying on everything alive, I guess

Politics is complicated. The CDU is trying to enable spying on citizens for years. Which doesn’t mean people in the EU from Germany must share this idea.

“The vast majority” is useless if the hardware someone has doesn’t work, and you usually don’t get official support and warranty from the manufacturer for Linux. There are also some categories like webcams, audio equipment or fingerprint readers where Linux support is still notoriously bad. And even if something mostly works, it’s fairly common for some hardware to have missing features, instabilities or minor issues on Linux. E.g. my mouse works on Linux ofc, but the software to set and edit profiles doesn’t.

Usability issues are mostly cases where you have to fall back to the terminal. An example from my experience would be that trying to upgrade the system from the app store fails half the time, so I have to use the terminal. Another would be a failed boot or graphics issues due to a broken Nvidia driver installation or messed up SELinux policies. It’s all fixable in the terminal, but good luck if you can’t use that.

Honestly true. At the very most you have to make certain switches to some software. For elderly people these switches are pretty minor since often they aren’t needing something like industry software for their work and at most will need to switch to like… LibreOffice, OnlyOffice or something of the sort. Not hard. For people in a job that may need design software like any Adobe product, there are Plenty of alternatives that work pretty well. Main thing is just spending a few days to get used to it and learning the differences. Only big thing I’d say that would be very hard to switch to Linux is if you make Music. Because if you use FL Studio, the closest alternative is LMMS… and it sorta sucks and at times is very uncomfortable to work with. You’d probably have to switch to Ardour or Reaper which would be a pretty massive change… Overall though, those account for a small number of people.

edit: I meant to say this to the one you replied to!

I agree with you. Plus, most of us are forced to use Windows 11 at work, where we spend most of our screen time.

Maybe I can bother with Linux at home, but that’s a fraction of the use case here.

I’ve never seen any OS being shilled like linux, it even beats apple fanboys during its heyday. A free OS that’s constantly pushed down our throats should by all means be a consumers number 1 choice if it was good.

But I guess having to learn 5 million commands to open a folder is bad design, who knew? I have better use for my time than debug drivers and figure out dependencies when W10 sort of works all that out for me in an intuitive fashion.

That’s like saying Windows does… I.e. it’s not true. Maybe if you go back to the Win9x and DOS days.

I don’t think you’ve seen the number of power user articles these days that give you two options :

• Wade through 27 levels of keys and subkeys in regedit, create this dword, then stop and start this inscrutably-named service, or
• Run this one line command in PowerShell.

Or Dota.

Support forums kind of suck all over. I’d imagine the systemd free distros are more elitest than the norm. Also jeeze, just meming on the internet, no need to “Those people” me sheesh.

Bruh, saying “get gud” to someone incapable of doing so doesn’t make you cool, it makes you an unempathetic asshole, and a bad software developer.

Maybe wrong terminology? Or hopefully not an issue.

Nvida released a new driver. The driver crashed my Linux every time put on load. Had to uninstall with command line. Install old instead.

With the replays on how that common with Linux and how I should brought amd. I assumed was Common frustration with new nvidia.

You ignore the reality though that even though it might be “epics job” to support Linux, it’s still the user’s problem right now if you want to play Fall Guys with your friends.

And you can’t just say “playing Fall Guys is not exactly necessary”. Social connections are very important to humans, being one of a group to not be able to participate in a shared activity can be socially isolating. Of course that’s a completely different topic you could argue about if it should be like this, but you can only dismiss it as not necessary for yourself, not as not necessary in general, for others.

If you use Windows, it works immediately, if you use Linux, you have to spend the time and do whatever that guy did. This is a very real cost for the user, time is one of the most precious things we have.

Of course you can argue about if it is worth it, but in the end people assign different value to things. If playing Fall Guys is very important to someone and it takes more time to do on Linux than on Windows, then Linux loses value. And this situation is not a single instance. People mostly only do what is the best for them in particular, and using less time to do the things they want to do is a prime example for this.

You do realize how much money Microsoft spends to make games work well on Windows, right? It is absolutely the responsibility of the OS to ensure smooth experience across many apps and services. This attitude right here is why Linux plays second fiddle to Windows still.

Don’t care, I block it. Doesn’t mean it’s not superior to Linux for a gaming platform.

It doesn’t matter that they are one time setups, the question is how many one time setups will you have to do in a year, year over year?

Same for “insanly edge cases” (editing a pdf, lol), the question is how likely are you to encounter an edge in your daily life?

When there’s a one-in-a-million chance to encounter a defect but there’s millions of them, it just becomes likely.

Turns out the world is made of a lot of edges for some advanced users.

Portal isn’t ArcPro :s

Over a hundred million people use Autodesk products; Bentley systems is around the same size. Entire essential industries are built on these software. Pinning that all on 1% is disingenuous.

My overall point is that until Linux or the software developers do something about the incompatibility/nonsupport, Windows is here to stay. Some of us have no choice.

Yep. From my point of view, it would be nice to at least have to option to switch users over. Tired of Microsoft’s shit.

Computers are like cars. People want a car that goes from a to b, like every other car, with no fuss. If you’re really going crazy maybe you look for a manual transmission. They don’t want to mess with computers. They don’t want to know what’s under the hood. They don’t want to have to understand how the CVT works, or how to update a broken repository link via command line. That’s 99.5 of people.

How often do broken repositories happen? Often enough. Biggest reason would be not updating systems and the old repository closed. “BuT WhY wOuLd AnyOnE NoT UpDAtE!!?!” You might ask? Because updating breaks shit. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had a distro set up exactly how I want, apt-get, now my gnome desktop isn’t working. Or Wine doesn’t work. Or whatever.

Only thing you use is tied to windows… See, that’s the thing. You just tossed that out there like all the windows software has a direct and equally capable equivalent on Linux. That’s not true, and I refer back to my car analogy that 99.5% of people don’t want to screw around with trying to sort out workarounds.

As far as drivers go it’s not just NVIDIA, but everything from touchpads to Bluetooth to fingerprint ID unlocks don’t all have Linux drivers. I actually find NVIDIA to be fairly well supported and haven’t had too much difficulty with it since Steam and gamers have decided that maybe Linux isn’t so bad and have made a lot of effort to keep things updated and compatible.

Out of touch… maybe. Take a trip through the Ubuntu forums some time. Probably the most popular and relatively easy distro to use. There are a ton of posts that just don’t get answers, where people just give up, or have multiple command line entries suggested that deal with everything from permissions, different command modifiers, and extremely basic stuff that doesn’t work like config or make. Again, think about that 99.5% that simply doesn’t want to deal with that shit, much less open a terminal window. They probably don’t even know how to open an admin level CMD window on Windows or even the task manager. Think how computer illiterate most people are where even changing a setting in their cellphone is too much trouble.

Look, we could discuss this all day. One of my chief complaints about the Linux crowd is that they just toss out that everyone should switch while completely ignoring the qualifications of the user base they’re asking to switch and putting that up against the thousands of choices and ways to break Linux that exist. That’s why people like Apple products. They’re hard to break by messing around with settings because Apple won’t let you do anything with the OS. You can still break windows, not as easily as one could before, and linux still breaks itself whether you like it or not.

What else do you think the world runs on? I’ll give you a hint, it’s not Trump.

And communism.

You need some time at !risa@startrek.website

Obviously.