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Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.
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Edit: sorry it was more than 50% of Americans. Fuck everyone. Goodbye.
Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote
That doesn’t change anything, tbh.
Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.
Yeah, that’s a decision
It’s that people don’t vote
Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.
Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.
Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.
If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.
What?!? You mean we can’t virtue signal about how the Democrats have to earn our vote, not vote, and expect the party to move away from the side that actually votes?!?!?!?!?
I get so sick of fake leftists promoting behaviors that actively go against their stated goals. I guess they’re not all fake, some of them are just psycho accelerationists who would rather get ‘dictator on day one’ than let the Democrats have power because then they might think they won’t go left if they win (and won’t admit they will just keep going right like they’ve done for over half a century when they lose).
Electing a fascist dictator to own the liberals
Honestly, I’d be cool with that
We don’t have to wait for Republicans to want to become socialists (what the absolute fuck is this line of thinking?). We can have more then two viable political parties with a more representative electoral system like STAR voting.
How we.vote is.controlled.at the state level as well, so we don’t need a miracle to pass in congress to get these changes. In fact, some states have already passed legislation that replaced First Past The Post voting. Others are voting on it in referendums soon to!
So it’s possible, gets more people involved in the political process, and gets more votes for democrats.
we just need convince the DNC that democracy is a good thing.
Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.
You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.
I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.
It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)
Yeah, it’s crazy that it not only happens but is apparently ok.
I rolled into my voting place after work, which you’d expect to be busy and no line. We’re in a high cost of living part of a high cost of living blue state, but most definitely not white nor wealthy. I assume it’s the blue state that wants everyone to vote although I certifiably don’t know if there are places here where it’s different
Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house
Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.
Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.
If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution.
It’s adorable you think the Dems have the spine for that sort of thing.
agreed, Dem centrists havent even reached the concerned letter writing stage over a genocide. Thet are pretty far from any revolution.
My state is already called with 82% for Harris! I’m sure the final won’t be nearly that good but we’re on track to beat our previous score of 69% blue.
We’re doing what we can for popular vote
People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).
It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.
I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.
I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:
Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.
There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.
America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.
That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.
My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.
TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.
Watching America edging fascism is my pastime in between watching my own country edging fascism.
Which country?
I’m currently guessing Poland or Bellarussia
You’ve guessed right — It’s Poland.
Americans are watching this too and wondering what the fuck is wrong with our fellow Americans. This should not even be close.
America is a fascist nation dripping in right wing propaganda.
If we elect Trump a second time, the only people who can express shock are the ones who have never seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs.
Trump would make us fascist. We are not currently so.
Ok maybe you’re not a fascist country, but you’ve been dipping your toes in the fascism pool for decades, just waiting for the water to be warm enough.
Aged like milk
I guess you haven’t seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs?
I’m really hoping that it isn’t close and that the polls were lying “just to make it interesting”
I have some bad news
Maybe don’t turn important political processes into a sports match. Try a little logos with your ethos.
Yeah you’re right it’s us, the ones posting to lemmy, doing that. You nailed it mate
Tacitly, yes.
No one wants to hear it - that’s often a good sign it’s right on the money.
But have you thought that Kamala is a Woman?
Yeah, I really can’t believe Harris is even a viable option. This should be a Trump landslide. 🫡
Oh hey a cunt out in the wild.
Agreed.
Disgusting how overrun Lemmy is with blue. Must be like 98% woke in here. Don’t be woke. Wake up, people!! WAKE UP!!!
Why do you behave like a bot?
I see similar remarks thrown out a lot on Lemmy lately, even to very human comments that are just a tad aneurystic or simply one they don’t like. It’s an easy way to destroy someone’s credibility while having to provide zero evidence.
For the sake of proper discussion, this really needs to stop.
I’d say their credibility was never a consideration here. A proper discussion was never going to happen.
You can’t believe Harris was a viable option because you’re a chud. I can’t believe Harris was a viable option because she’s genocidal imperialism. We are not the same
As an American:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I second this emotion
I will now cut back on all social media. Lemmy included as I get a depression from what’s happening in the US. What is painfully obvious is that we Europeans must stop fucking around and federate so that we have a fucking chance wedged in between despots and idiots.
The current trend is sadly in the other direction. Fascists are rising to power and the countrys get more separated. More border controllers are happening.
Volt all the way baby!!!
Lets get the european federation on the way!!
Best of luck, wish me good luck on getting out of here before everyone realizes they closed the boarders going OUT as well as IN.
I’m really hoping Harris wins, and we can make politics boring again. I know that if Trump wins, we’ll hear about all the insanity he will put in place for the next four years.
Sure, if he loses, Trump will cry foul, but that doesn’t have the same legs as it would if he wins.
I just want Trump to be some washed out TV “celebrity” and politics to be as entertaining as it always is: not very.
I’m not American and all I hear about right now is American politics. Y’all need to figure your shit out.
Trump is not the problem. Trump is the symptom. The problem is a somewhat powerful minority faction in the US actively pushing to dismantle our democracy. Project 2025 wasn’t written by Trump and didn’t write itself.
Harris’ win is step 1. We then need to push to shore up our democracy and prevent a more cunning trump replacement.
Watch the movie “Bad Faith”. It lays it all out.
Tl;Dr: It’s pretty much entirely the fault of Evangelicals.
Plus he’s proven that having a cult of personality works, and caused a notable shift in the US Republican party.
For all we know, that might be a permanent change, rather than a temporary one.
I’m just hoping that there’s no one with his “charisma.” Thankfully everyone else scummy enough to be in the GOP is a wet rag in comparison to him so far. He may be a piece of shit, but a con man “confidence man” he most definitely is.
If Trump wins, the world will become a way less hospitable place even faster. This is literally the fight for the last resources, and the 1% wants it all. Trump is a Billionaire enabler… nothing else.
sorry to say but if trump is junior partner in a billionaire oligarchy firm then harris is their employee as head of hr who pretends to be our friend but is actually their to keep us in check. she was chose as vp by the lobbyists and since then she has only followed their orders.
At least she won’t strip away any right. Freedom my arse.
If Trump loses, that dissolves the Trump cult and the next Trump that comes along will just be compared to Trump
I wouldn’t count on that. These are cultists who are ready to deify Trump and start sending people to the camps. I don’t think losing an election will change the fundamental cult dynamic, or the hatred and anger that has been organized within the cult. We are stuck with this bullshit probably for the rest of our lives, one way or the other.
next four years
Optimist.
You are out of your mind, my friend and so far removed from reality. What insanity are you even referring to? America needs rehabilitation, and we’re not getting that with Harris, who has presented herself as utterly clueless in just about all her media interactions. It’s absolutely bonkers how the seemingly majority of people here on Lemmy can’t see this. Yikes! Glad to see the blue wall coming down as I type this.
Found the cult member.
Yes. You were looking in the mirror.
Childish response from a clown who thinks a geriatric nepo baby is going to make america great.
Not at all. I think he’s going to fuck it up royally.
I’m just not blind faith attatched to eating the shit of genociding democrats like most of the real clowns on this website.
The democrats could have run a candidate who would have made Trump look foolish, but they didn’t. Instead they ran the bigger fool.
Only the DNC is to blame. People I forgive. The fear is real.
How will Trump, the only other viable candidate, do a better job?
All arguments are expired at this point. Now you’ll just have to witness for yourself how he’ll do a better job.
To answer your question, though, I implore you (and anyone reading this comment) to pick through the trove of Charlie Kirk videos on YouTube with an open mind. 🙏🏽
Your mind would have to be positively cavernous.
Good one.
The worst one for me is that there’s some chode near me that displays a flag on his house fucking bragging that he’s voting for a convicted felon.
They’re proud of the fact that they’re supporting a criminal, and I bet they’d be ok with him if he was an open Nazi as well (they’re just fine with the same tactics and having literal Nazi flag wavers in their midst).
Adam Conover’s last video changed my view on the shock. They’re not voting for him despite his bad qualities. They’re voting for him because of his bad qualities. Telling them he’s a Nazi and a felon and blah blah blah will reinforce their idea that he’s the right guy. When people who worked in his government come out against him, the response is, “Of course they did. They’re part of the swamp we’re trying to drain.”
Reason is dead. We’re never going to convince these people that Trump is unfit for the job and a horrible human being. It’s time to stop being so shocked these people exist. They always have and will continue to exist. All we can do is show up and end the man’s political career.
Post-election update: 14 million vote spread between Biden '20 and Harris '24. Trump was only down maybe 1½ million votes between '20 and '24. Hey Democrats, where the fuck were you on Tuesday?
It’s all very Dunning-Kruger. A huge part of the crazy conservative personality seems to be thinking YOU are the smart one in a sea of sheep, and that everything is a conspiracy.
So when Trump is getting convicted, looking like an idiot, and has most of the civilized world against him? SO much evidence of the conspiracy and the system trying to save itself from the great disruptor! It’s like reality itself is bending over backwards to make the chosen one look like an irredeemable pile of shit!
Mark Robinson in NC just messed up because he was saying the quiet part out loud, or at least on porn message boards. Oh, and he was black.
As an NC resident I was incredulous at the turnaround that happened after that all came out. I thought for sure he was going to end up being a shoo-in for victory. I can’t walk ten feet without seeing Trump shit everywhere, and I live in the middle of a city. These folks should have loved Robinson even more than they love supply-side Jesus.
I understand them. I’m not American, and I’m something like a middle class so I’d vote for blue. And most of the people here probably think the same, we have that echo chamber. But if I were poor as I was most of my life, and that’s like most of the people voting, I’d vote red.
The reasoning is that both of the candidates don’t address the main problems of the society, the last one to do it was Bernie, before him I don’t even know, not Obama though.
The problems are education, healthcare, worker rights. You may say the Dem Presidents tried to do something about it but they didn’t and actually didn’t even try, the problems weren’t solved, they are actually worse(not because of their actions, their “actions” really didn’t matter and were just for show).
During Trump life got worse, during Biden life got worse, even during Obama life got worse, and now they suggest which kind of “life will get worse” to choose. So as a poor I’d pick the option that’s closer to destroying the system altogether than the option that will just make me more miserable to choose another miserable option in 4 years.
I heard a lot(fuck, A LOT) here how Trump will make himself a dictator and destroy the system but if one stupid clown can do it may be it’s the government system that’s bad. Really bad. And maybe you should address that issue but nobody does.
Maybe you should address the problems that make the people vote for a fucking clown instead of just labelling them stupid.
The problem is we have to take a hard left turn to get to a place where we can address any problems
…. But I’m not totally buying this argument. The one big change we were able to get through to make people’s lives easier was the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Statistically it made a huge difference in the lives of millions, especially lower middle and income to poor citizens. Yet somehow they kept electing people promising to repeal it, usually without even the concept of how to replace it. Do you really want millions of people going back to no medical coverage? Do you really want to be paying for coverage that can reject you on a hint of “previous conditions”? Sorry, but how is this anything but stupid?
I heard a lot(fuck, A LOT) here how Trump will make himself a dictator and destroy the system but if one stupid clown can do it may be it’s the government system that’s bad. Really bad. And maybe you should address that issue but nobody does.
I don’t think it is as simple as that. Fox “News” has been informing republicans’ world view for like 30 years. The Supreme Court has basically been taken over by partisan Republicans, which is super ironic given how long and loudly republicans railed against “activist” judges.
Much of the used-to-be credible media is now owned by billionaires. Even the ones that aren’t want to at least keep their access in the event of a Trump win.
Trump did significant damage in his first term, but, as the cliche says, “the guardrails held”. Thing is, he learned both about those guardrails AND which people he could trust to choose him over the Constitution.
So, yeah, there are things that should be done to make the system more resilient to internal attack, but without significant time and effort, no majority of USA citizens will every be convinced to support that sort of change.
They are OK with anything. Trump supporter at work wants him to be a dictator. How did we reach this point?
Americans are also watching in horror FYI
Less than 50% of them
Apparently those Mussolini style of speeches and the other 50 or so political suicides did not really matter as much as you would think. No matter the outcome this being this close I think spells the end of the USA as a rational power.
America really really hates women.
And wierdly is made mostly of women, who must hate woman.
Yep, women alone could have put this election in the bag for harris. That confuses me the most out of all of this…
Once again, we are shown that people (of any gender, race, or group) can and will vote directly counter to their interests.
Well that or they like being “grabbed by the pussy” or whatever the hell. Guess I will not kink shame.
those Mussolini style of speeches
Like Kamala at the DNC saying that the US needs to have the MOST LETHAL army in the world, and the crowd bursting into chants of “USA, USA, USA”?
*of voters
The rest apparently don’t care either way
They’re not to blame. They’ve been convinced by a powerful, wealthy propaganda machine that their identity is more important than their planet, their children’s futures, or their own basic human rights. They were scared, tired, desperate, and when the machine came for them and it felt so good they bought it without checking the receipt. They’ve been tricked into giving away their futures and they are going to suffer for it. They’re stupid, but they’re not evil.
That’s bs, it just takes 1 hour of your day to go put a mark on a piece of paper and be done with it…
Pure laziness and complacency
… The voters? We’re talking about the people who cast votes. Not the ones who didn’t vote. Keep up.
The comment above yours was referring to the rest of people who could vote but didn’t, and I thought you said they were not to blame.
Anyways it just means most of the US is ok with trump, which is absolutely insane.
Your logic completely nullifies human capacity for agency and thus makes no sense whatsoever. Conditioning is important but it does not negate responsibility. Not yet anyway…
If my argument nullified the capacity for agency then propaganda could not exist.
I am saying that propaganda was used to make people vote for Trump. Without that propaganda, they may have voted in their own interests, like protecting bodily autonomy and basic human rights.
Propaganda is the thing that swayed them.
Some people are defenseless to it. They never stood a chance against the billion-dollar machine built specifically to win their vote. I feel sorry for them because they were tricked into giving away their futures.
I absolutely agree that propaganda and misleading information in general has a significant impact and most people don’t have the neccessary literacy skills to navigate conteporary information environments. And to be fair - they’re not easy to navigate. However, I do not agree that “they [people] are not to blame” in that ultimately adults must take responsibility (and blame) for their own actions and words, even if they are victims of disinformation or other types of misleading content. Because to argue the opposite would basically take away any responsibility from wrongdoing (intentional or otherwise) and would also mean that justice systems based on rule of law are meaningless and unnessary. Which is obviously not true.
We can’t have a stable system of governance where nobody can be blamed because everyone is some manner of stupid, ignorant, misled, uneducated about something, etc. Such a system simply wouldn’t be able to work in practice for the reasons I mention above.
Mind you, this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t study or aknowledge the power that conditioning and misleading information have on collective political perceptions, and try to counter that as far as possible. But that is very different from saying “they are not to blame” and absolving people of their decisions and actions. It is a catch-22 but that is what the human condition ultimately is.
Some of them, yes. I have family that fit your description, but I also have family filled with anger and spite. The ones who hold hate I can and will blame for it.
No. It is YOUR fault if YOU fall for propaganda. Its time to hold people accountable for their stupidity
Sounds close-minded, selfish and hateful. You’d be a great Trump supporter.
Unfortunately, just shy of 50%
Not really. Voter engagement always swings more right than left, the fact the numbers aren’t that far off means it’s likely more than 50%.
Watch the next Canadian election and be equally dumbfounded / terrified.
At least that election season won’t last more than 7 weeks. Instead of this insane 2 year marathon the US has.
Funny, I was watching tv and had a Canadian station on. Every other commercial break was a Pierre Putinfever ad.
In Canada, Elections campaigns can last a MAXIMUM of 50 days.
Somehow, in the past few years, the laws for campaign ads changed (thanks Crtc!) and they no longer fall into the category of a campaign.
And there are newish election laws that set out a ‘pre campaign period’ that allows further erosion of the campaign time limit restrictions.
That period - anytime after the last election.
Wtf.
2 year marathon is underselling it, I feel like we’ve been in election season since he came down that fucking escalator
We kinda have been. The media has realized how much their viewership (and therefore ratings/money) goes up when they constantly doom and gloom, and that orange fuck has been running a reelection campaign from the moment the previous election was called.
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Our politics are nowhere near as toxic and disturbing as the US. At least our Conservative party respects election results.
The social media chatter during the convoy was all about how jt stole the election.
We have the crazies.
For now. Morons in Alberta fly Confederate flags, they’re getting fed the same right-wing bullshit. Everyone thought the Republicans would respect the transfer of power until January 6th.
Hey, remember when the liberal party of Canada ran and won on electoral reform? And then just went “nah bro” and didn’t get anything done about it?
Oopsie daisy gee golly isnt governing hard? Not that you would know because youre not in their club and you will never get a chance to govern.
Looks like now you have to vote for the liberals again or yous gets the conservatives again. Ahhh shucks ding dang it. What a conundrum. Quite the pickle ain’t it?
Sound familiar?
Never voted liberal.
Will vote NDP again.
Yeah sounds familiar and I’ll vote Trudeau if it is needed to stop conservatives from getting in power.
Why? We are a multi party nation.
NDP is always pushed aside because people are scared of the cons.
The liberals are just as bad as the cons but in a different way.
Canada’s national identity is basically the results of the work of the NDP. Yet they are never given opportunity.
Look what happened in the States.
The fucking Antichrist now had another 4 years because the dems focused on their own interests instead of the common folk.
The liberals have ignored everyone but their faces in a mirror.
Nothing would have been accomplished if the NDP hadnt pushed them to.
Anyway, welcome to the tribulations.
People are clueless the literal hell they’ve unleashed.
Let’s face reality. The first time that Trump was elected, everyone was surprised, sure.
Now that he will be elected again, there is no more surprise. A lot of Americans still chose Trump after everything he’s said and done and he’s won the popular vote.
The US have been toeing the line of fascism for a while now and a good proportion of their citizens just told us they embraced it, regardless of if they know what that entails or not.
Donald Trump is just a symptom, not the cause. If there wasn’t any fascists, he wouldn’t even be in the race yet here we are.
With that said, if the polls are really close between the Libs and Cons for a majority government, I for sure will vote for the Libs. The Cons are the worst possible majority government we can have.
Otherwise, I am free to choose NPD, as I did in every elections before.
I’m federalist and I’m voting Bloc. That’s how you know shit’s dire.
Do you guys have term limits? Why is Justin running for fourth time?
Because he’s delusional, and he’s surrounded himself with sycophants, everyone else in the party who thinks he should’ve taken a cue from Biden and stepped down has been moved to the “backbenches”
To be fair, Justin is a prodigy at convincingly blowing hot air. It’s an essential skill for any politician, and he’s the best at it by far.
Undoubtedly, I just wish we didn’t suffer for it. He knows how we feel about him, but he only cares about how the world sees him.
No term limits.
An election must be called every 5 years at most. Sometimes an election will be a year or two after the last. The PM can call one anytime.
Technically, the PM is never elected. They’re the leader of the party. They don’t have to run. Or win.
Ugh make it stop. Watching this past BC election was stressful enough.
The sad part is, as much as I hate PP, I’m so mad at Justin and the libs supporting him for not smartening the fuck up on this. People don’t like you, move the fuck on so that your party has a chance FFS. (But for the love of god don’t let Christy Clark step in lmao) 😭
Don’t forget the fake communists bragging that they won’t support genocide and that’s why they’re not voting.
Hey, socialism angels: do you drive a car? Do you emit carbon dioxide that is projected to cause 1 billion deaths, mainly in poorer countries, by 2050? If so, why do you support genocide? You refuse to support genocide one day every 4 years, but actively participate the other 1460?
Yesterday’s John Oliver introduced me to the concept of vote swapping and I am so pissed this wasn’t pushed for third party/protest voters. Basically, if you live in a swing state and absolutely insist on not voting for the Dems, find someone in a blue state who planned on voting for Harris and let them do a protest vote on your behalf, while you vote for Harris on their behalf. Why didn’t I hear about this earlier?! (I live in Germany tho, so maybe it is a thing?)
I did this back in 2000. I wanted to vote for Nader but lived in a swing state, so they connected me with someone in a solidly blue state and we swapped votes. And I’m surprised as you that we didn’t do it this time around.
You_IRL
Did you know that with more representative voting systems, people would be free to vote for whomsoever they wish, secure in the knowledge their vote would still be casted against those they don’t want in office?
I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your recent commitment to replacing First Past The Post voting in your state so people can vote freely.
Calling out the objectively stupid people who are refusing to vote Harris over Gaza does not make someone inherently against better voting systems. I’m not even sure why you’re bringing that up as if it’s relevant; nobody was talking about it and most people here are for it anyway.
Yes, drag very much enjoys voting for the socialist party in drag’s home state, which uses ranked choice voting. Drag can do what americans can’t, because people in drag’s country actually work to make things better, while americans think they can achieve voting reform by refusing to participate in politics.
people in drag’s country actually work to make things better
Which fabled country is this? Do they take UK/EU citizens?
Drag doesn’t drive a car. Drag is improving society somewhat. And drag’s state has already implemented ranked choice voting.
Drag isn’t arguing against the idea of improving things, drag is complaining that you, personally, don’t do it.
We should improve the system somewhat.
Not voting for the lesser evil, thereby allowing the much greater evil to get into power, is not working to improve the system, medieval peasant.
So then you disagree with GP, who called it supporting genocide.
Who’s GP?
Grandparent Post (drag)
Whoever wins or loses today. I’ll still be investing in Israeli property developments in Gaza and the west bank. You’d be a fool not to. It’s a guaranteed investment. The Palestinians lost and they’re never getting that land back.
That doesn’t mean a fascist goverment will keep its promises to you…
first time in my life i have been praying that anyone supporting or benefiting from this dies of from a long painful cancer and then in afterlife tormented brutally in hell for eternity. i even went to a church last month for the extra push.
People have been protesting for a year, but not only have the democrats vilified these protests and not paid them any mind, but things have only gotten worse in Palestine. For over 40+ Israel has been stealing land from the Palestinians . In the last year, there’s death marches and mass starvation happening in Gaza, all while the democrats are doing everything in their power to provide cover for the genocide and lie to the people and tell them that they’re tirelessly working towards a cease fire. No matter how much you scream, the Dems aren’t caring, and with every day that passes even more people are horribly killed and maimed. It makes perfect sense to profit off this genocide. It’s not going anywhere. I as a Westerner might as well accept what we’re doing and build a house on the burial grounds of the dead. Just like what we did to the native population of the Americas.
Yes we should. Drag is improving the system by not driving a car and campaigning for Harris. You seem to think you can improve the system by ignoring politics and continuing to drive your car.
I don’t own a car either but unless we improve public transit and city planning in the US there are situations where not using a car is simply impractical. My city is enormous and while my ebike works for shopping trips and getting to places <20mi away, I can just barely reach downtown and back with it before it dies. If it’s pouring rain, it’s not waterproof and it gets me soaked which is both uncomfortable and a health hazard. There are a lot of activities promoted by leftists in my area that I don’t go to because I would be spending 3 hours in transit to get there and back and I simply don’t have time for that (and Uber is too expensive). There are other places that take 3 hours one way to get to on public transit but 20 minutes by car. Where I live is not at all designed with sustainable transit in mind, and while I don’t own a car here I don’t blame people for wanting to use one. Not to mention I have almost been killed multiple times because the cycling infrastructure here is 45mph 6 line roads with no sidewalk or bike lane.
It sounds like you’re saying that not participating in genocide is toooo haaaaaard.
Do you live in a city with sane transit? (Also I put more effort into avoiding cars than basically everyone I know where I live, nobody else I know uses a bike.)
Don’t support genocide. It’s as simple as that.
Do you pay taxes? You could choose to just go to jail instead. Do you use a device made with slave labor? You could choose to abstain from technology and not post on Lemmy. Do you work for a corporation? You could choose not to help them do shitty things and not get your basic needs met. If you said yes to any of these you are being hypocritical.
Then I’m doing an absolutely terrible job of both.
With electoral reform, we could have more then two artificially limited options. We could have competition in our elections. We could be free…
But currently you aren’t and the options are damage control or burning the house down…
- A French person that was in a similar position a few monthes ago.
Great point. If Americans don’t like their options, they should spare a thought for French progressives holding their nose and voting for Macron, over and over and over.
Eeeeeeh I’m not going to compare Macron and Harris. She’s not been a stepping stool for the R again and again and again.
I was referring to our last legislative election (think Congress if you need an American point of reference). It happened last summer and Left wing voters had to make a coalition up to the socialist party and the greens which are our centrist parties.
She’s not been a stepping stool for the R again and again and again.
She’s campaigning with Mike Bloomberg, Jeff Flake, and Liz Cheney. I’ve seen nothing to suggest she’s learned from Clinton or Obama in this regard.
French progressives
voting for Macron
Uh… LFI had wide popular support to the point of being the most voted, what on Earth are you talking about?
Well, how well did the damage control strategy go lmao
The strategy went well as in the NFP (leftwing coalition) got a plurality of the votes.
The issue is that the ruling party (En Marche) said fuck it and allied with the fascists.
I meant in the US, sorry
Well not good either ^^`
This trend of backsliding democracies truly is terrifying.
We will never have election reform that represents the will of the people, because the capitalist class, which has run this country since its inception through bourgeois revolution, will never allow “tyranny of the majority” reforms. They would sooner unleash fascism upon us than allow real democracy.
I think the first, most realistic progress we can make is to get a few more states to sign the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It’s a agreement between state legislature to assign their electors based on the national popular vote, and it automatically goes into effect once enough states have signed on to guarantee 270 electoral votes.
It bypasses the need to pass a constitutional ammendment that is functionally impossible to get through.
And it’s within grasp. Enough states have already signed on for 209 of the 270 threshold (Maine just signed it into law in April), with several states pending for another 50 (e.g. Nevada is waiting on governor’ssignature).
We’re shockingly close to killing the electoral college, and nobody seems to know about it.
Trump looks poised to win the popular vote as well. The system doesn’t help but the problem is ultimately us, not the system. We have failed culturally, socially, spiritually, emotionally, however else you want to describe it. Look the failure in the face and prepare yourself to deal with it for the rest of your life.
Don’t romanticise it. You’ll still have a small number of options in total, and you’ll be unlikely to shake the dominance of the 2 major parties. You’ll still worry about “wasting” your vote on a party who will get low representation. You’ll still be disappointed when the centre left don’t do anything meaningful. You’ll still be powerless when the right hold government. You’ll still have trouble finding someone you want to vote for.
Yes it’s better, but it’s not Paradise.
Source: Lived in New Zealand under MMP for five electoral cycles.
As a NZr, I agree. But it does make smaller third parties viable. In NZ, Greens, ACT and NZ First are all third parties where a vote is not wasted if their block wins
one can dream
This is so. fucked. up. I’m not American (and thank fuck for that), but I’m actually feeling so ill and worried for y’all. I think it’s time for me to block/unfollow any American accounts and news cause shit’s about to get really fucking bleak.
The national identity of being Canadian over the last while has been every four years wondering if the downstairs neighbors are going to decide to restart up the meth lab they keep tinkering with and bracing for the sounds of domestic violence to resume.
gives side eye in indigenous Glass houses bro
Not saying our shit doesn’t stink but there’s a certain matter of scale to consider. Leastaways we don’t have nukes we can hand over to the psychopath we are looking at voting in.
People in Canada are delusional and think it can’t happen to us too because we’re the polite maple syrup guys. I’ve seen the projections for Pierre Poilievre. We are in 2015 America, where everybody thinks “people won’t vote for that guy, he obviously sucks”, and they aren’t right.
You’ve described exactly how I feel. And of course, the shit down south is affecting us up here, we have our own lunatic conservatives like Doug Ford, Milhouse and Bernier who aspire to be like the GOP.
Conservatism is a worldwide problem and they all borrow each other’s notes. It’s not going to be a fun time for us coming up. I can only hope that when the shit hits the fan down there those up here start rethinking their bullshit.
Hey maybe when their meth lab explodes we’ll also have a swift death :(
Did someone at the Tim Hortons hear that hoo?
His IQ is currently equal to his amount of felonies
Edit: The fact that this comment has exactly 37 upvotes makes it even funnier
I’m just hoping this comment ages like milk as his convictions pile up with his other trials.
What other trials? Those will never happen now.
So far. He may become a genius over the next year
That’s being rather generous…
You’re right
America is fucked. Ukraine is fucked. The world is fucked. The only glimmer of hope is Trump drops dead before his term is out.
The issue is that the heritage foundation has put JD vanced to take over for Trump when he dies
Which, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, is actually scarier than just Trump. Both are nightmares, Vance is young and wants to make tech CEOs kings
He’s still there today whispering in Trump’s ear. At least if Trump were out of the picture it might derail the presidency and allow some of the weirder weirdos & grifters to be shown the the door. It may also reset republicanism to some degree since they don’t have to care what some narcissist dickhead thinks at any given moment or pursue his vendettas. Also it would be karmic.
