This is the very essence of the difference that should exist between a President and a King. From Federalist 69:
The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the king of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable; there is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable; no punishment to which he can be subjected without involving the crisis of a national revolution. In this delicate and important circumstance of personal responsibility, the President of Confederated America would stand upon no better ground than a governor of New York, and upon worse ground than the governors of Maryland and Delaware.
The failure of the Republican party to support this kind of check on Presidential power is why we’re having this crisis now.
“Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal”
– Richard Nixon, 1977.
You’ve had 47 years to do something about this, to be able to hold your leaders accountable, and apparently it wasn’t worth the effort.
I guess the upside is you won’t have to worry about all that wasteful election spending any more. 👍
You don’t understand (or maybe you do but aren’t saying it). The Nixon scandal is what started the modern shitshow as we know it. Nixon’s supporters would be royally pissed that there was no specific media apparatus to fully support Nixon and his shit. They would go on to fight to repeal the fairness doctrine and to start Fox News and the modern propaganda media as we know it.
BTW, a few years ago (during Trump’s first administration or a bit after) they even SAID ‘when the president does it , it isn’t not illegal’ or some slight word difference as a way of signalling their ultimate victory in trying to do what they wanted to have happened during Nixon’s scandals.
Oh, they’ll still allow that spending to show how many votes he gets next time. Like the other dictators do.
I mean, the constitution never said the supreme court has the power of judivial review, the supreme court at the time just grabbed the power, and congress at the time just went along with it. The supreme court only held on to the power because of “norms and traditions”. Today’s congress could simply just pass a resolution declaring the supreme court has no such power, and all that 200+ years of “norms and traditions” is gone. And all the law enforcement, national guard, and military people would just be like “seems legit” and go along with everything trump decrees.
yeah but this isn’t about judicial review
UNLESS they rule AGAINST Working Class Bailouts. THEN the Courts SHOULD be Listened to!
Once again, to no-one’s surprise. Trump loudly claimed he would do this long ago
Choose a felon as President, expect him to commit crimes… enjoy
Dear Americans, where are your protests?
There’s protests in every state. The media is just ignoring them.
the mainstream news isn’t covering them… they also edited out people booing trump at the super bowl and edited in cheers
There are more people on the streets when a new iphone is released
You need more disruptive protests.
Americans have been trained to clutch their pearls but that disrupting commerce with protests is wrong and that’s exactly what we’re seeing: complaints but no disruptive action so they are easily ignored.
Too cold outside for Americans to organize en masse. Gotta wait for the spring and summer for them to seriously work together.
These are unamerican people.
And people voted for this!! I feel like I’m in some fucking fever dream.
It is written into their plan, not a surprise at all “ignore the courts”.
This isn’t the failure of the Republican party. This is their victory dance.
Seriously, this has been the Republican wet dream for decades.
Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it. When the next election is supposed to happen I wonder if he’ll declare martial law due to some invented issue.
Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it.
GROUNDWORK??!!
Groundwork fora coup by the sounds of it.fixed it
Dems and Reps have been planning this for decades. It was only a question of which party got their puppet into control first, while I can’t say for certain, with hindsight available, it looks like GW Bush was meant to be the Reps patsy, heck maybe he was with the patriot act getting signed into law, each step they could take to erode away basic freedoms in the name of security, or environmental protection, they did. This is very important to remember; instead of congress simply making heads of government agencies a job that must be filled by someone with a degree in the field, they eroded away checks and balances and gave the choice of those heads to the president, something that was not intended under the Constitution. I will be the first to admit without the EPA corporations would ABSOLUTELY pollute our rivers, air, and soil to the point life could not be maintained, but it makes no sense to put a career polluter in control when they don’t care about the science so it should have been law a degree is required.
Jesus, shut up. This is not a bOtH SiDeS.
If a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal,” Vice President J. D. Vance posted on X yesterday morning. “If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that’s also illegal. Judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power.”
Dude is just underlining scopes. Nothing burger here
Now, Vance was not quite making an unconditional vow to ignore a court order.
He was making no vows. Stating the scope of practice is not illegal in any way
Rather, he was stepping right up to the line.
By explaining who has what scope? Wow stretch much?
Obviously, judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power,
Yes that’s literally the guys point.
but determining whether orders are legitimate is the very question the courts must decide.
Which was never in discussion?
People if you want to freak out about everything be my guest, but if this is what is going to make you flip the fuck out, geez.
The perma stun is real. And it proceeds at pace
Da fuck? Judges have the power to check the executive. Ever read Marbury v madison?
This dumbass right wing analysis is why we are falling down the pit of fascism right now.
If trump defies a court order, that’s a constitutional crises and it is every americans duty to take up arms to stop tyranny.
“I think the tweet, taken on its own terms, is empty because it refers to the ‘legitimate powers’ of the executive. And the whole question in these cases is whether the executive is acting legitimately or not,” Greene told NBC News.
“He has some cover in that sense,” Greene added, referring to Vance. “He hasn’t promised unlawful behavior.”
Rick Pildes, a professor at New York University’s Law School, also highlighted Vance’s use of the words “legitimate powers” in his post but pointed out that the judiciary is the branch with the power to decide what a president can “legitimately” do or not do.
“Under the rule of law and the Constitution, it is the courts that determine whether some use of the executive power is lawful or not. That is the critical point,” Pildes said via email.
“The concern is that the vice president’s statement could be taken to suggest that the Executive Branch is prepared to refuse to comply with a court order based on the president’s own view that he has a power that the courts have concluded he does not,” he added. “A president who orders his officials not to comply with court orders would be creating a constitutional crisis.”
Also note,
It’s not the first time Vance has floated defying court orders.
Greene pointed out that others in Trump’s orbit, including Musk, have floated ignoring court orders.
On Saturday, Musk reposted a post on X from a user who wrote, “I don’t like the precedent it sets when you defy a judicial ruling, but I’m just wondering what other options are these judges leaving us.”
I think it’s a series of microaggressions; on their own, each comment is seemingly innocent, and every response appears to be an overreaction. But their comments put together paint a larger picture. I think this is part of the strategy - “Look at these emotional people, panicking at nothing!” as they slowly overwhelm and erode their checks and balances.
It’s important not to become emotionally overwhelmed, and not to jump to conclusions. I definitely see the tendency to doom-scroll and panic in people right now - I do it myself sometimes as much as I try not to. But I’m thankful for the journalists and scholars that raise alarms, because if people don’t know what’s happening, how will anyone be held accountable?
That fucking Lizard Peter Thiel fucking rebooted when asked about the popular support for Luigi. The mother fucker had not thought about what happens when we the people get tired of their shit and unite against them. They’ve spent so much time and money dividing us so they can take it all it never occurred that it might backfire.
That blubbering little weasel. “Y-y-you have to find another way.” I think was the line he used. We tried other ways. Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Luigi showed how to fight back with some effect.
Thiel, Yarvin etc., are all so convinced of their own superiority that any actual challenge to their world view/tactics is completely unexpected. They can only comprehend doing violence to people who won’t do anything about it. They get their rocks off over child murderers, and state sanctioned violence, but cry when the people they want to step on show and ounce of spine. It’s pathetic.
There was a former employee of Elon Musk who said that when he stood up to Elon that one time and actually said that his ideas and style are terrible, he said that he never saw a man’s face turn so white so fast, that Musk became super pale (even compared to his normal ultra-pale complexion) and that Musk’s only response was to yell fuck you.
He had no concept whatsoever of anyone, much less someone working for him, to dare question him in any way.
I add the following as evidence of premeditation / conspiracy:
“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he [Vance] said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”
This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”
“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
Historical note: as far as I understand, president Jackson ignored the Supreme Court in a case of Georgia taking Cherokee lands. Since the state also ignored, the court failed to enforce its ruling.
Fuck these bastards
Dictator
But he said he’d only be a dictator for one day! Are you saying that’s not how dictatorships work?!
“For one day” or “from day one”?
He said the first, but meant the second.
