Israel has nukes - what about that Non-proliferation treaty Germany?
“He thinks words on a paper mean anything”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles?wprov=sfla1
Albert Einstein was 100% correct. I am ashamed of the politicians in Germany who fail to learn the lessons from WWII.
France, Germany, the US, and UK are all issuing official statements in full support of Israel’s attack, and the US is moving some naval vessels to the ME to defend its little brother. Only China and Russia are going to oppose them on the UN security council.
How’s it going “enlightened democracies”?
None of them want Iran to have nuclear weapons. They are probably fine with Israel doing the dirty work.
Countries allowed to have nuclear weapons (or energy) check:
Countries allowed to have nukes:
- countries that already have them
- countries that make them before someone stops them
Don’t forget China, India, and Pakistan all have nukes.
It’s like working on a nintedo fan game, only announce it once you’re done.
Are anyone here fine with Iran having nuclear weapons? A fundamentalist dictatorship armed with nuclear weapons?
Ignore for a second how Israel is reacting. Are anyone here fine with Iran having nuclear weapons?
If you are, then please explain.
If you aren’t, then please explain what you propose to do to avoid Iran having nuclear weapons.
Are anyone here fine with USA having nuclear weapons? A 200 year old group of rogue British colonies founded on arguably the greatest genocide in human history, slavery, Christian fundamentalism and white supremacy that only very recently stopped being a segregated apartheid state (nominally) that has been full blown imperialist and colonialist for a century and took the place that the British Empire used to have on the global stage, armed with nuclear weapons?
Ignore for a second how the US sponsored colony is reacting to the consequences of their own attacks. Are anyone here fine with the USA having nuclear weapons after rushing to use them on civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the only nuclear weapons armed country that has ever used them in combat in the past 80 years?
If you are, then please explain.
If you aren’t, then please explain what you propose to do to avoid the USA having nuclear weapons.
(USA is white rule South Africa on crack, steroids and has been doing it for just as much time. That is the real context and not vibes and “Iran bad”. Maybe if the Euros didn’t rush to cut up the territories of the former Ottoman Empire to make colonies there wouldn’t be a need for nationalist “dictatorships” in the region, a normal and justified byproduct of constant western attempts to install puppet states in western designed Frankenstein countries with very different ethnic and religious groups (including western sponsored religious fanatic groups) all lumped together because some Brits and French agreed about some imaginary borders in the 1920s. You can’t have a democracy when American alphabet soup agencies keep trying to erode it to steal your resources. But let’s ask the western libs about their massive censorship against Russian media after the Ukraine thing and how tolerant they are to “Russian election interference” and other western hysterias to see the hilarious double standards.)
Iran has been infinitely more reasonable on foreign diplomacy than the US in the past 25 years. If the US gets them, Iran gets them too.
Not only am I fine with it, I actively support it. It’s the only way to protect it from the endless aggression of Israel and the US, both of which already have nukes and are far more fundamentalist and dictatorial then Iran.
Iran tried it’s absolute hardest to negotiate in good faith to avoid having to build nukes, and the West did nothing but exploit that good faith and stab them in the back.
A fundamentalist dictatorship armed with nuclear weapons?
Israel? If Israel is allowed them, then certainly countries it hates needs them.
I have far less concerns with what Iran will do with nuclear weapons than what the only nation that has used them on civilians will do if they believe they can stop nuclear retaliation, a goal they 've been pursuing for decades.
They after all have a much longer history of violating international law and committing atrocities than Iran,wo themselvesarenot saints at all.
That’s without even considering the recent (impressive for an already right wing country) fast and extreme shift to the far right with Trump and co.
I’m okay with Iran having nuclear weapons because many other terrible countries have them already and seem to have zero interest in disarming. They have the right to pursue defense via deterrence.
I want both sides to lose this war. I don’t want Iran to have nuclear weapons, and I don’t want Israel to continue to have the military and economic strength it currently holds.
Just as with the US and Russia, both sides can suck. And Ukraine/Palestine get caught in the middle (although in the case of Ukraine, all the fault lies with Russia).
You would have "both-sides"ed world war two
Well commies and nazis were both equally disgusting and pure evil.
If you’re a Holocaust denier
Worse hypocrisy than “Russia has no right to defend itself”. Prior to US led nazi coup in 2014, Russia and Ukraine had close economic/political ties, even as supposed Russian stooge President was exploring in good faith EU membership. Coup was designed to sabotage that relationship, with direct NATO/nazi threats to Russia.
Israel’s relationship with neighbours and Iran has never been defensive. Europe’s rulers always siding with US empire, even as US attacks it, is deeply traitorous. JCPOA process, appears to be the same EU deception as Minsk accords or 2 state solution Norway/Camp David BS. Germany, specifically has no chill between nazi and zionazi extremes.
“If we support Israel with their very own holocaust we’ll be even for what we did right?”
Two Holocausts don’t make a right.
Politicians when they were asked much earlier (last year?) about unprovoked Israeli attacks on Iran:
“Does Israel have a right to defend itself?”
“Yes”
“Does every country have a right to defend themselves?”
“Yes”
“Does Iran have a right to defend itself?”
“This is a very complex issue, and Israel has a right to defend itself”
If I were from the global South I’d pretend Western countries don’t even exist and just work with China, which I’m glad to say it looks like Africa is doing just that. Africa has had some awesome leaders honestly (who France and America are desperately trying to overthrow).
Iran is illegally building a nuclear weapon for illegal self defense and Israel is doing a Jack Bauer to stop them.
Obviously, Germany - a country with a long and storied history of liberal democratic values and anti-war principles - will come down on the right side of this conflict. There’s no way they’d just align with a Middle Eastern Imperialist power looking to dominate and ethically cleanse a region of its native people.
Fuck Germany for this and fuck Israel.
it’s like ok ok ok european gov’ts don’t care about genocide because they’re bloodthirsty lunatics ok ok ok whatever but ok
but ffs what about their finances/economy? germany/others are already fucked because they got cut off from russian gas. imagine iran shuts down the strait of hormuz? europe is going to be fucked
how they are not screaming for jewish supremacists to fuck off is beyond me.
and all of this is only to further get europe addicted to US shale. it’s all so apparent and insane how do these idiots in power not see this?
honestly, european jews were always a stand-in for muslims (it’s more complicated than that) to christian europeans, so i guess now that they can watch the wholesale slaughter of actual muslims, that base urge is satisfied
It’s why it’s called antisemitism.
In 2023, Germany said: “Confronted with an openly aggressive Russia, the importance of nuclear deterrence has increased for many states, including for [Germany].
Germany is one of five NATO members to host US nuclear weapons on its territory as part of a nuclear-sharing agreement. The German air force is assigned approximately 15 B61 nuclear bombs, which are deployed at the Büchel air base.
In 2016, Germany voted against the UN General Assembly resolution that established the formal mandate for states to commence negotiations on “a legally binding instrument to prohibit nuclear weapons, leading towards their total elimination”.
Germany: Nuclear weapons are good actually
Also Germany: Ban nuclear power return to burning coal
Guess they don’t like nuclear if it doesn’t involve killing people
That’s also what says macron.
https://x.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1933491906144526764France being famous for having disposed of all 290 of its own nuclear weapons, of course.
To be fair Iran would use their nuke on Israel and everyone knows it.
So?
It make sense to go to war against someone who is building a device to instantly destroy you.
It makes sense to build that device as a deterrent against Us-Israeli aggression…not that there was any proof of it anyway. Besides, trump destroyed the deal we had to prevent Iranian nukes so now Iran MUST arm itself. He’s an absolute fucking moron.
Would they, though? Knowing that the entire rest of the world would be down their throats in an instant? Knowing Israel would immediately nuke them back?
In May 2012, Iran’s Military Chief of Staff declared: “The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Israel_relations#Iran_threatening_Israel
If you read more of the list of threat, it is highly probable.
Didn’t click on the link but based on the last 8 years, anything Macron says has a strong probability of being dogshit made to sound plausible and appealing to the end user.
We had chatgpt as president before chatgpt was the hype.
So whatever he wrote on the nazi social network, take it with a huge pinch of salt.It’s amazing how France and Germany seem to have the same view after US has been pushing the nuclear path. Feels like some play book is being acted out.
iran still executes gay ppl right?
As a gay ppl: So what? You think this attack is going to advance quiltbag rights?
Happy pride month! I feel a little silly saying happy given the current circumstances of the world, but I think we gotta press on or they win.
I’m too socially inept to know how to respond to this, but I appreciate your post and agree with the sentiment, to the degree that I feel an upvote is inadequate.
I’m also socially inept and I worry I may say the wrong thing, especially as an ally. But I want to express my support durning pride month and in general. I just find I’m a bit clumsy when it comes to the words. I rewrote this comment like 3 times lol.
Israel has executed orders of magnitude more gay people in the past six months alone
Killing innocent people will help save gay people. Dramatic logic.
Gay people still can’t get married in Israel right? So these are both awful countries run by awful people. It just so happens that Israel is the aggressor.
One party being bad doesn’t make the other party good. If we are lucky every single employed person both governments will suddenly drop dead.
Failed gotcha talking point considering that the main bulk of western Zionists are rabidly anti-LGBT, anti-reproductive rights, anti-evolution Christian fanatics who support Israel because they low key believe the existence of Israel is integral to the second coming. Also, not coincidentally the exact same crowd that voted in all the presidents who sponsored groups like Al Qaeda to push against the communist government of Afghanistan and other communist, socialist and secular movements in the region because birds of a feather work together and religious fanatics apparently get along when they need to and then betray each other because morals don’t count if god is supposedly always on your side amirite.
Thou shalt kill those less liberal than us is a slippery slope. Neocon/neoliberalism all justify genocidal supremacism under rigged democracy. Geopolitics manufactures hate first, makes up reasons 2nd. There has never been any offer to Iran to decriminalize hedonism in exchange for anything.
Israel is executing gay people en masse.
And?
Always Sunny memes are perfect for modern international politics.
And I guess we’re maybe all going to die because we keep letting idiots lead our countries.
I would get politically active to try to help, but that feels like Charlie work.
I have a bucket of blood. Do you think I took too much?
Implying they ever had the plot to begin with
German regime and their Nazi Nepo baby owners are pathetic
