Imagine a Nazi. Now imagine someone who hates Nazis for not being even worse.
I think that’s called a KillerNazi, then there MegaNazis, GigaNatzi and TeraNazis. At some point they’ll come out with PetaNazis, but right now they’re too expensive to be commercially available
One of 'em sure did kill a nazi
Triggered this dude
Not at all an important detail but pepe did not become a white nationalist symbol until winging dip shit out of touch loser candidate said it was.
pepe still not a hate symbol, pepe is for all
It’s made up BS. Most of the conservatives using pepe avatars don’t even know wtf fuentes is. I can confirm because I’m one of those people who wears a pepe the frog mask on forums. The left-wing and MSM hate that conservatives have this mask to anonymize themselves with and they’re trying to peg them all to a white nationalist is an attempt to discredit and take down the entire group.
Well it’s not going to work. I’m going to keep posting conservative things behind a pepe avatar. You can call me whatever you want. Say I’m a follower of fuentes, or hitler, or satan, or devour the souls of the innocent like cthulhu. I don’t care. I’m still gonna wear my frog mask.
Haha… yes, the Pepe mask is for conservatives “to anonymize themselves”, even though the forums and platforms they’re already on are already anonymous?
Don’t kid yourself - its just a virtue signal to the conservative racist ingroup that you’re one of them. Its a ‘safe space hat’.
You reply to some random repost of a Twitter comment that its all part of an evil leftist MSM plot to get rid of the Pepe avatars but you’re standing proud in defiance? Nobody is trying to get rid of them - they’re handy identifiers for trolls and chuds. But yeah, uh… great speech. Preach. Keep your cute frog mask!
“The left hates us because we’re frog furries” is one of the takes of all time.
There it is… Best comment I’ll read all day.
I think people hate right-wingers because they commit so much more violence on average. Like, by a factor of like 700%.
Why do you side with such violent people?
Wow your just dumb or racist. Ain’t no two ways about it. Guess it’s confessional time.
Look, i agree with you; but please check your spelling before you call someone dumb online.
The lowercase “i” has me weeping babes.
[I get that.] I turned auto correct off years ago and cant be bothered to hit shift most of the time. Besides, im not calling anyone stupid.
“im” still has me actually smiling. Yeah, sort of. You’re giving prescriptive advice, which is what’s giving me the giggles. It’s funny.
Idk. Imo, the spelling of words matters much more than punctuation and capitalization. “Your” and “you’re” have wildly different meanings. If i understand the marriam-webster definition of prescriptivism correctly, it pertains more to the spelling and cultural understanding of the word. Perscriptivism would be saying that what they said was blatantly wrong; which i didnt do. But calling someone stupid while mispelling the main subject of the sentence is pretty ironic and happens a lot.
[For instance: M-W uses the words irregardless and regardless for their example. For this specific scenario, i would say ur is better than your]
But i can just take my stupid elsewhere i suppose (get it? Lol)
Poor Pepe didn’t deserve to be turned into a hate symbol. Now all my rare Pepes are worthless.
When the only redeeming quality of your speech is that it is free, then your speech is also worthless. Using the pepe avatar is just the discount sticker making it easier to spot.
You…wear a mask? On forums? So that people can’t see you while you’re posting…? What are you talking about?
If anyone’s feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog’s creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It’s very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.
I instantly dislike the guy.
Probably had to do with the country copyright laws :/ I had personal videos blocked because they used music that in over country was free to use and in others wasn’t… or maybe he hates you in particular 🤷♀️
Oh, thanks for sharing this experience, because that makes totally sense to me. The error message is kind of misleading and gave me the impression the blocking was on purpose.
Documentary guy is a good guy after all.
Fuck Youtube and all the music industry.
Check if any invidious instance can play it, or NewPipe/PipePipe on android
Thank you my friend, what a good suggestion. Next thing would be to just use archive.org. However, for this I would need some help.
If you’re on desktop/laptop, FreeTube works pretty well too (has invidious functionality built in)
Dang I didn’t know users did that on YouTube. I guess I can’t say I blame you, it’s a shitty thing to do
They don’t. It’s regional restriction.
Oh. That is what I used to assume. Was Zr0 just messing with me?
No, Zr0 made an uninformed assumption as well.
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I KNOW RIGHT???
And people were like “oh the killer carved UWU what’s this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that’s common in Groyper circles”
Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean???
I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I’m just like dude, our lizard brains can’t handle the internet. We just weren’t wired to work like this, there’s no wayI really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it’s insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.
Or maybe just not go on the internet so much?
Most people are addicted. It’s like you are saying “Just stop smoking cigarettes so often”
That’s a more reasonable suggestion than “evolve more lungs”
exactly, hence why I will always promote research into lung alternatives that can better handle particulate matter and are easily replaceable
With cigarettes, we recognized the harm that they did and in response developed a series of regulations about where they could be used, who could use them when, how they could be advertised, warning labels that had to be applied, and taxes on them to discourage use and offset the societal harm. As result we get this:
…and this…
The internet is a tricky one on account of it absolutely having crossover with the first amendment, but there’s got to be a conversation about its effect on mental health and what if anything can be done in response.
Personally I am in favor of regulating the internet but the potential censorship concerns are a serious issue with actually doing it
now do meat and the leading causes of human death
I’m not even sure anymore what this analogy is about but 🤣
There is no limit. Things are really really bad? They can always get worse. Rock bottom is a flawed analogy.
The drill is mightier than the rock
Sorry man, but it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
And I have no idea if it’s ever getting better
I don’t even want to bring up brain chips, there’s plenty of people who already think they have them. Imagine the psychosis.
It’s beautiful, isn’t it?
I saw someone who described the murder as a shitpost and that scarily makes sense.
The world’s first shitpost murder. Insane.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/46016750
Here’s the link.
I’m a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what “uwu” is. These idiots think they’re “exposing the conspiracy”, when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.
It wasn’t even “uwu” meme
It was the “OwO what’s this?” Meme. Which makes it even weirder/funnier/messed up
What’s the difference? ELIA5 please, I don’t know if I have time to go down this rabbit hole myself.
One is a generic emoticon, while “OwO what’s this?” is an (in)famous meme from the furry fandom
I still don’t understand, but I learned one thing, when a meme seems to do not have a meaning, it’s fascists crap.
Those guys always miss humor totally.
Same difference. It’s used interchangeably.
eh, not really.
one is more a “uwu sowwy” the other is surprised/shocked/curious expression
It’s this face. Like :) is a smile and xD is supposed to be somebody laughing so hard their eyes have squinted shut.
owo is the same face, but the eyes are open.
Edit: I have misread. You do understand it lmao
I always equated “XD” with Eric Cartman 😂
Edit: I have misread. You do understand it lmao
No worries!
I can’t even parse that as a face
seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles
My favorite thing is the neonazis wearing pleated khakis. Like, the only item of clothing even nerdier than that is lederhosen.
My nephew is being sent to an evangelical school whose uniform is khakis and a choice of a red or blue polo shirt. Want to guess which color is social suicide?
Im no longer talking to that part of my family.
Do they all look like they work at Target?
No, these are expensive khakis.
If this is gonna be a One Piece pirate flag kinda future, does that mean we can wear sailor slops?
We can only hope.
Pirates are in this year
I learned about the Groyper wars recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
Fuck, we invent some useless shit. I wonder what’ll be around in 50 years? Tea cosy wars? A disdain for people with attached ear lobes? A religion that proclaims the colour yellow to be heresy?
Careful what you say about yellow or they might come for you next.
THERE IS ONLY
greenGreen is not a creative color
Don’t hug me I’m scared reference for anyone wondering
As a person with deuteranopia, I find your assertion offensive. Next you’ll be saying purple is a real colour that totally exists.
purple
Ayyyyy get out of here with that kind of language, that is so goddamn offensive.
You have angered the Roman Emperor prepare to lose your penis. If you are not in possession of a penis one will be assigned to you.
Only in our dreams, brother/sister/NB sibling!
… gurple? green-purple?
Or…does it all more or less come across as something like brown?
Or gray?
Can there be green without yellow?
You overestimate progress in the field of bigotry. In 50 years they will hate (in no particular order) people who are:
- black
- brown
- jews
- asians
- gay (as umbrella term, come at me lesbians)
- genderfreaks (saying it as a genderfreak)
- overwheight
- neurodivergent
- religious minority
- homeless
So, pretty much the same as 50 years ago
Targeting Charlie Kirk
What the fuck?! Seems pretty relevant to look into re: the past week but no let’s blame it on leftists
It is very relevant yeah. They hated Kirk, and it very well may be that the shooter was a groyper
Fuentes himself was almost murdered last December by a guy who killed three other people and two dogs that day and ended up getting killed by the police. He went there specifically for Fuentes but I don’t think it was some foot soldier following orders. No idea if the guy was on the left but I kinda don’t really think he was.
Even though it is a well written, informative and comprehensive article, I still feel like I am losing braincells reading it. It is so incredibly stupid what some humans stoop to.
Same. At one point I found myself skimming words without taking them in and I had to stop.
I did learn one important thing from all of this though - there are more fractures and divisions among the far right than there appears. Ever-smaller factions fighting amongst each other is better than one coherent group fighting the rest of us.
The right always fights. It’s why fascist regimes eventually collapse. They eat their own.
Thanks. Also interesting to read about the origin of Pepe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that’s always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.
Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking “with or without gang violence?”
Just when I thought it couldn’t get any more ironic
Wasn’t he saying something about “gang violence” literally the moment he got shot?
His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, “With or without gang violence?” Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.
Yes you can. But nobody else will, especially not those in power, because we live in an extremely racist “culture.”
Of course they won’t, but you can rage bait conservatives super hard with it by twisting every racist thing they say about black people being gang-bangers back on them.
I didn’t even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.
I only knew Nick Fuentes as “That guy who tried to sue Antifa” and later “The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024”
Apparently there’s controversy about him not “really” being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly… and I’m like…
“This is too much even for me.”
I know him as “that MAGA loser who’s a fiercly proud incel and got caught with tabs of gay porn open on a stream”.
But to be honest I thought he had completely vanished into insignificance over the last 5 years. Sadly this appears incorrect.
That would be volcel not incel. Can’t be involuntary if you want it.
I didn’t even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was “damn, that really is a tiny face”.
Lol exactly the same here
They had to go for the neck because the face was too small a target.
He was the splitting image of the default Mii character.
I only learned about him when I was still on Reddit via people posting quotes on the ‘whitepeopletwitter’ subreddit. Between him, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh being constantly posted there, I damn near lost my mind at the sheer combined idiocy of them all and had to unsub.
Wait’ll you hear about that time Fuentes accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn. Or his date with a catboy!
Go on
Lots of info on Nick can be found on his RationalWiki entry. See the “Haggard’s Law” section for info and links to sources about the things I mentioned.
I’m sorry to ask, but is there a source that isn’t Rational Wiki?
No no, I shouldn’t let my own issues with the site get in the way of good faith reporting. I’ll have a look at this when I can
There are a lot of sources. Try the following search engine queries:
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Nick Fuentes streams gay porn
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Nick Fuentes Catboy Date
Nick Fuentes Catboy Date
That sounds like name of a softcore visual novel on Steam.
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From what I’m gathering, it seems like one group is more “traditionally” American racism… And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?
Either way, they’re racists and not worth the oxygen they’re consuming.
Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I’d hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.
The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don’t necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would… I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.
… Not that I’m complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself… I’m just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that’s an absolute win IMO.
Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts
vs.
Traditional “Brick and mortar and nooses” racists
Potato, potato.
Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can’t really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.
I generally hate people. I don’t want to be authoritative over anyone. I don’t want the responsibility.
I wonder if their hate is just a side effect of wanting to be superior over others. And that’s what drives their base actions.
More or less, yes. It’s the satisfaction that comes from power.
The main ingredients of fascism are fear (urgency) and a desire to reclaim a power once held, like in a birthright sense. A result of this is that the power they hold now is a result of the fear they’ve fostered, which means they quite literally cannot survive people becoming unafraid. There must always be a group of people to hate, even amongst each other, or the kingdom they’ve built vanishes.
So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.
late stage
You are far more optimistic than I, my friend.
I mean the government isn’t necessarily late stage but if the fascists are fighting over who’s the biggest fascist that means shit’s up.
Maybe, but authoritarian regimes do often purge their ranks, and it doesn’t always mean anything significant is going down.
While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don’t think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We’re approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.
People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.
This is it.
The “true believers” in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn’t paying attention.
But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren’t cool with barely contained barbarism.
This is not the late stages. This is not even the honeymoon.
According to the show and soon to be documentary, Cyberpunk 2077, it’s gonna get weird.
I did not learn what they were recently, because unfortunately I was raised on 4chan. Once you have a certain part of your brain plugged into that shithole website, certain bits of information will just make themselves available to you through the ether. You absorb information by osmosis (Jones). I wish I couldn’t. Skin me alive.
It’s like gaining eldritch knowledge. It unlocks certain aspects of reality unseen before now, at the cost of some of your sanity, driving you mad with understanding. And everyone around you thinks you’ve lost your mind
and just like with Eldrich knowledge you either hate what it did or dive deeper
Fuck, that is the most apt explanation, thank you.
We lost our innocence forever.
Yer a Warlock msage
the normalization of nazi culture makes me want to fucking die
This lot don’t even have a snazzy dress sense. They should be required to at least do it properly and at least where the uniform, let’s have a bit of self-respect around here.
This isn’t even getting to the part where Nick Fuentes gets red in the face arguing that he’s definitely a real incel, and denying accusations that he secretly gets laid.
He fucked that catboy didn’t he?
I wonder if he found a cute catboy earlier in life he would have turned out differently
Cuddling cute catbois is a known preventative measure to Nazism.
Please cuddle catboys.
instructions unclear: found neonazi catboy bf
Hellsing fan?
I despise every new term for Nazis.
They’re just fuckin’ Nazis. Don’t spread their newsletters.
group names are just as important to them as nationalitys are to a nationalist or pronouns to most people
Ok, but nazi is just a newer, more specific term for fascist.
And it’s useful to have specific labels so you can understand when they’re fighting each-other, and perhaps encourage that.
They’re just losers who live online trying to outdo each other to hold the most extreme view points possible so they can stand out in their depressing little discord shitholes. It’s such a depressing reality I can’t even imagine it. No wonder they become mass shooters.
Losers that have the ear of the president. Fuentes less but he also been to Mar A Lago for lunch with Maga Pompous
The two sides are racists who disagree regarding faith and whether Jewish people are their equals or not.
You’re also describing lemmy, except for the mass shooter part… for now. With the stochastic terrorism that dominates certain discussions (Gaza, Luigi, etc) it’s only a matter of time.
I’ve never felt the need to shift my opinions to please the crowd on lemmy. I mean if someone is really deep in certain communities that could happen, but that’s the loser part. Online chat groups shouldn’t become a focus of your identity.
Lemmy isn’t in the same realm as Groypers or neo-nazi cliques or any of that nonsense. Really?
Lemmygrad / .ml, baraag, the assorted far right instances
I’m guessing “Gaza” here means “if you don’t support Israel you’re a nazi”.
