Reform winning obviously bad, labour still awful and incompetent.
It is fascinating from an armchair politics point of view that we might be seeing the end of the torys and labour. These are old parties.
I mean they might certainly bounce back, but given reform and the greens/SNP/Lib Dems will swoop in on their territory maybe not.
I mean having two entrenched parties with that have been around for a century is really an Anglo thing. Like most other countries have parties have parties that rise and fall dramatically.
Labour can bounce back, a leader change and serious shift leftwards can revive them. Tories can not bounce back unless Reform shits the bed, they have exhausted their ability to just change the leader and have people give them a new chance. It’s not a leader of the tories that people hate, it’s the tories, the party has taken on all the hate now, it can’t be scrubbed off.
For all Labour’s ills it is ultimately just Starmer and the neoliberals that are hated, not the party itself.
I agree definitely. I think there’s a moment/opportunity under Zach Polanski for the greens to take their spot. But it’s not settled in the way Reform has steamrolled the tories.
I don’t see how any party is going to bounce back in the short term unless they just copy Farage on immigration, which would be horrendous. There’s just no going back now in the short term. 80% of the UK thinks there’s too much illegal immigration, and even a slim majority of around 45-50% (vs slightly less for opposing views, and then undecided) think there’s too much legal immigration. Those numbers would take years to change.
Labour can bounce back if they put the correct person in and start saying left wing things. Andy Burnham is that man.
The problem is that the Starmerite faction has to choose that outcome themselves. Andy can’t get an MP seat before the next election unless the NEC (national executive committee) selects him for a seat before then, as he doesn’t have an MP seat currently and he can’t be leader of the party without one.
Someone like this would pull back the Green, Lib Dems and split Your Party (the trots would go back to do more labour entryism).
I don’t think the Starmerite faction will allow it to happen. But it can happen, it’s right there and not that hard, it just requires those fools to swallow some pride, a thing I do not believe they will ever do.
Don’t get me wrong here, I don’t know whether he would actually win vs Reform, all I’m saying is that it would save the party itself by rebounding it to the 30-40% vote numbers again.
Nobody else can do it though. It’s Andy or nobody.
let me guess “ref” is the most racist party
Nigel Farage’s crypto-fascist (barely crypto) party.
What is the barley crypto crypto-fascist party’s stance on crypto? Is is crypto-crypto or crypto! Crypto!? Or even no crypto but crypto crypto-fascist or just crypto-fascist?
Funny enough, was re-reading Howard Zinn’s people’s history and yeah. Britain is America: Classic so we shouldn’t be surprised Brits are going to vote like Americans.
88% of their voters want to put immigrants into concentration camps, if that answers your question
yeah I expected the Children of Men Should be Reenacted Party and that’s what it sounds like
How in the fuck are the Lib Dems managing to not gain even a SINGLE ONE of Labour’s 400 projected lost seats, wtf are they doing. Isn’t their whole thing to be Labour but more centrist?
The Lib Dems haven’t been relevant in many years.
Turns out no one, not even self-proclaimed centrists, actually like a centrist party.
It’s all over immigration. There was a poll recently that showed that the Brits are even worse than the Americans on this, like the vast, vast majority want stricter immigration, thus reform gets all the votes.
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Is there any good analysis as to how it got this way? Like obviously newspapers etc. but as someone not plugged in how did it get so bad so fast?
I am genuinely making plans to leave the UK in case Reform win.
in case
I don’t see how they could lose at this point.
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Which they will sooner or later. Farage has fumbled every party he’s ever had, even if they win it is unlikely that they’ll last long imo.
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I left the US over Trump and Miller.
Where are you looking to go?
Fuck everything.
Also fuck Labour, way to show the futility of “let’s give the normies everything they want so they won’t vote for the party that they want and they end up just taking what they want!”Turns out an off-brand copying the most popular brand everyone loves is not going to stop brand loyalty anytime soon.
Also fuck the voters. Labour gives you ungrateful bastards all the things you want and this is how you repay them? You want MORE?!
Turns out an off-brand copying the most popular brand everyone loves is not going to stop brand loyalty anytime soon.
Exactly what happened in the US with Democrats and Blue MAGA.
They will not learn their lesson.
Even Truman (a uniquely evil war criminal even when compared to most other US presidents) already realized that in 1952:
if its a choice between a genuine republican, and a republican in democrat clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time
So much WINNING from Starmer here.
Absolutely amazed at how he managed to nuke his own party
Democrats gonna be importing the Labor Party consultants for 2028
Are any of these not TERF parties?
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at most some of them are liberal feminist.
Greens
Uh oh
Its terf island its all terf parties
Britain is a One Terf Party state, but with typical british extravagance they have more than 4 of them
TERF Ship One
Theres the ᵗᵉʳᶠ party, the terf party, the TERF party and the TE
RFparty
“I want the Greens to do better!”
monkey’s paw curlsSNP on the ups
Finally a one party state, yet none of yall are happy still. smdickh
We’re so cooked
Children of Men was aspirational, it seems.
Prime Minister Nigel Farage inc
407 seats gained for transphobe partys (other)
