Since it’s hellworld, I’m sure the answer will be no but…is it irrational to ask ourselves whether their complete mask off moment is happening a bit too quickly?
Material conditions are getting worse, make no mistake. Capitalism is due for a catastrophic event. But, we’re kind of not there yet, and the chuds are making such a big stink about being the catalysts for this once in a generation ™ extinction event in capitalism. And the amount of poo, So much poo, they throw it everywhere and they do it so loudly that even the most politically unaware are made aware of their pant shitting wrecking this paper tiger of an economy.
So that combined with all the flat out fucking weird and supremely distasteful shit they’re doing and saying makes me feel like they’re overplaying their hand. Atp they just have to kill all of us because i can’t imagine they’re not turning off a lot of normies
I dunno, there’s a lot of people who are pretty content with being bigoted through some veil of propriety, don’t think they want to fight on the kkk frontlines and be confronted for it. But I’m probably being extremely hopeful.
There will never be a shortage of bigots to apply boots to necks. Never has been, never will be. You have to fight them constantly.
Look, I know my doomerism is well recorded. So I won’t make this comment a big spiral how we’re all doomed, but I think this question is important.
Back in the aughts, when was there this cultural turning point where it seemed less like the chuds won the culture wars forever and Obama could possibly be viable? Was there like a big slip-up or a cultural L the chuds took like a lefty gamergate or something? I know the atheist movement was popular on YouTube at the time, and some folks like Sam Harris spoke in a way to make chuddery less cool. Not only was being a chud disrespectful, but it was inaccurate and only stupid people cling to bigotry to feel better about themselves.
TL;DR: Not to tangent too much, but what worked and didn’t work against chuds in the aughts? Was there a “gamergate of the left” moment back then or just a series of VERY quiet cultural victories?
The failure of the troop surge in Iraq combined with the global financial crisis to make USAmericans feel like losers. Bush’s folksy stupid guy persona turned sour, he went from “a guy I want to have a beer with” to “a stupid piece of shit that ruined everything.”
Left-wing radicalization moment: “I lost my fucking job thanks to the whims of the ruling class.”
Right-wing radicalization moment: “game protagonists have COOTIES now!”
Chuds are the pinnacle of first world problems.
If Obama had actually done some of the popular things he had promised, the political landscape would be incredibly different today. He captured a huge amount of support across the spectrum because he, like trump, was saying out loud that things weren’t great and change was needed. He burned the whole thing down by being a standard ass neoliberal and disillusioned millions of people.
You could think that but then don’t forget that everybody just chooses the version of reality that they want and which is being pushed at them by the media they choose
People will be okay with the nazi clusterfuck this rotten shithole is until they turn on their definitely-not-laundered-Fox bullshit and the people on it tell them to stop being okay with it
I wasn’t joking yesterday when I said NOTHING WILL EVER IMPROVE until the media owners and media shitheads in this country are all hucked into a pit and forced to grind each other to death under their own weight
“Freedom of the press” is another of the principal slogans of “pure democracy”. And here, too, the workers know — and socialists everywhere have admitted it millions of times — that this freedom is a deception while the best printing presses and the biggest stocks of paper are appropriated by the capitalists and while capitalist rule over the press remains, a rule that is manifested throughout the world all the more strikingly, sharply, and cynically, the more democracy and the republican system are developed, as in America for example.
The first thing to do to win real equality and genuine democracy for the working people, for the workers and peasants, is to deprive capital of the possibility of hiring writers, buying up publishing houses, and hiring newspapers. And to do that the capitalists and exploiters have to be overthrown and their resistance suppressed.
The capitalists have always used the term ‘freedom’ to mean freedom for the rich to get richer and for the workers to starve to death.
In capitalist usage, freedom of the press means freedom of the rich to bribe the press, freedom to use their wealth to shape and fabricate so-called public opinion.
In this respect, too, the defenders of ‘pure democracy’ prove to be defenders of an utterly foul and venal system that gives the rich control over the mass media. They prove to be deceivers of the people who, with the aid of plausible, fine-sounding, but thoroughly false phrases, divert them from the concrete historical task of liberating the press from capitalist enslavement.
—Lenin, Congress of the First Comintern
I encounter a lot of normies in my work - they’re sick of this shit. I’ve talked with well to do PMC people who are very alarmed and ready to or are getting out in the streets. Make no mistake, people are fed the fuck up.
Ignoring the dogpile on the lib to talk about your question: Maybe? Probably not? Idk.
The right are just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. They’re pushing all the fascism boundaries and finding where there’s legit resistance and where it’s weak enough that they can push through it. And it seems like they’ve mostly found out that they can get away with it.
Will there be a shortterm backlash against the right electorally? Probably…but in the slightly longer term maybe electoral results will matter even less.
What are you, one of THEM? (liberals)(derogatory) GET IN THERE AND DOG PILE THAT GODDAMN LIB LIKE A COMRADE.
If you’re here for the dogpile, it’s one reply deep on ZWQbpkzl’s comment
libs thattaway
It’s the hexbear flag
Ngl i do love the colour gradient
@starik@lemmy.zip
Let me also say, you are right that blaming specific groups of voters is not a good campaign strategy. I’m not suggesting we go knock on doors and berate people who identify as leftist but refuse to vote for Democrats. Of course it’s better to try and persuade them.
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That being said, I can personally come to the conclusion that 2024 was in part their fault, and it does no harm to tell the truth on an obscure web forum that maybe 100 people will read.
Chaser
Wow they’re really getting into it.
It’s still going???
Edit: ah no theyre banned
Well, the American right is not really a unified block with common material interests, but a hodgepodge mix of QAnon conspiracy theorists, cultural warriors, neoconservatives, Christian Nationalists, corporatists, etc. It’s no surprise that as a whole they are self-sabotaging and dysfunctional. The big surprise really was that Trump was able to hold all of them together for so long, but even that looks increasingly untenable as his popularity wanes.
We need to find the rightoid sin eater. The least popular link of the right and mercilessly attack it and claim every single rightoid is like this, no exceptions. What are they going to do, complain we’re unfairly dismissing them all for superficial reasons?
Don’t forget neo-nazi reactionaries, KKK guys (Venn diagram overlap, but still separate groups), nazbols, groipers, Yarvinists, etc. It’s a long-running joke that the left is so dis-unified because of all the disparate ideologies, but holy fuck. At least leftist are striving for the same goals, even if they disagree about the route to get there. The US right is such a fucking mess it’s not even comparable.
Right wing struggle sessions be like: “Is it ok to be a white nationalist and have an Asian wife?”
900 replies, 2700 slurs used, 11 users doxxed, average of 14 spelling/grammar mistakes per reply, one of the users goes out and shoots up a CVS as a resultone of the users goes out and shoots up a CVS as a result
Just one?! Really? I think you’re being a little too generous in your accounting.
another tries to shoot up a walgreens but self pwns while fidgeting with his guns in the car
“Stupid three-point sling! How dare you defy me! I’ll kill you you stupid f----- fuck! How fucking dare you?! I will kill you then burn you to the ground then piss on your ashes, motherfucker!!!” *gunshot inside car sound* *absolute silence*
Edit: Didn’t seem convincingly white nationalist enough. Fixed now, unfortunately. I hate that I can channel that.
They are but its only going to result in a swing to the democrats for the next few elections.
And then we can just say “Genocide Kamala” and get more MAGA again 😃
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Do you think the nazis all magically disappear when blue maga wins?
You need to wrap your head around historical forces and movements and understand that “vote for blue” isn’t going to fix shit. Especially when blue isn’t offering anything that will change the material conditions that exist that are producing the nazis.
You’ve got this miopic liberal programming going on in your head where literally EVERYTHING is about winning elections and that will magically make things better. You need to understand that people aren’t elections. Beliefs aren’t elections. It isn’t elections that create the nazis and it isn’t elections that will reduce them either.
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If leftists were enough to tank the election for kamala (statistically this is blatantly false), then that’s a failure of the democratic party to win votes first and foremost.
Wait, so we causes this outcome with our determination? Wow, that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn’t even stop committing genocide to prevent it.
They wouldn’t even let Kamala Harris lie about stopping it because it would have made Joe Biden, a walking corpse, look bad!
Why ya gotta do this to yourself?
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This is honestly one of my main questions too. Why paint oneself into making arguments in favor of indefensible positions in an environment where it’s just going to make everyone angry?
Because liberals sit around producing “owns” like they’re in a collective shower argument and get so used to tha that they forget that their sorkin fantasy is not reality.
Communists also do that sometimes, but we generally live in neoliberal society and mostly know neoliberals, so we literally can’t manage to be in that much of a bubble unless we totally compartmentalize our political conversations to spaces like this one.
Yeah, I think you’ve pretty much captured the reason here.
STEM lords
Extremely plausible answer.
The average liberal has enough brain cells to know to avoid the topic entirely. Only a LessWrong dork would bother to die on this hill for their own ego.
I don’t know. I’m just so annoyed with people who ushered in Trump 2.0 when they really should have known better. There’s nothing to be don’t about it now, so sometimes I needle the morons for entertainment.
I’m just so annoyed with people who ushered in Trump 2.0
Next time, don’t support genocide, it’s really that simple
Why ya gotta die on “Genocide is OK” hill? You do genocide, you loose votes from people find that disgusting. No amount of LessWrong amoralism is going to change that. So maybe stop debasing yourself, its indecent.
Maybe a few more years of MoreWrong will convince you that LessWrong is so named for a reason
I hope you starve to death in a cage
This guy’s gonna vote for the pro-genocide candidate next dem primary because their “electability”.
This is why nobody likes lesswrongers
We need a button that summons UlyssesT for 5 minutes. I understand they’re (he’s?) enjoying a life of blissful grass touching, but they’re the hero we need sometimes.
You people are fucking disgusting
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“It puts the genocide on the skin or else it gets the cheeto again”
Niceguy nazism
Not supporting someone means you actually supported them
I’m assuming most of the commenters here don’t directly support Trump, but rather threw their votes away (where applicable; yes, I’m aware some of you live in deep red or blue states, or not in the US at all 🙄)
Why is a vote for <not kamala> a way to support trump but a vote for <not trump> isn’t a way to support kamala?
my vote for de la Cruz was apparently a vote for both trump (according to this cockwit) and biden (if you ask chuds making the exact same argument)
i have therefore committed voter fraud by voting for every candidate at once, which is based actually
I’m annoyed at people who thought running a genocidal ghoul with no charisma was more important than beating Trump
Odd why you dislike MAGA, you both support genocide, you’d think it’s a perfect match ¯_(ツ)_/¯
No they’d rather be smug. They voted for Diet Hitler, with 20% less genocide. Unlike you who wouldn’t support Diet Hitler! You let Regular Hitler win!
Well, 20% more genocide actually, but the student loan debt forgiveness program for Pell Grant recipients who start a business that operates for three years in disadvantaged communities makes up for it.
you’d think it’s a perfect match
Nightmare rom-com cast.
I don’t support genocide. Ironically, you are the one who supports MAGA by helping them get elected.
Not sure if your banned ass can even see this but you personally with your smugness and low standards in candidates did more to support trump than everyone on this site combined
I’m not a Yankee lmao, i didn’t vote for either of your genociders.
I didn’t donate money to Trump’s campaign. That was Hillary Clinton.
Have you considered that Democrats could avoid being called “Genocide [NAME]” by simply not committing genocide?
No. Because they did that last year, and it didn’t work
…but they did do the genocide last year. And signalled that they would keep doing the genocide. Wtf are you talking about.
Doing genocide denial to own the lefties
Because they did that last year
Genuinely wondering if you stumbled in here from a parallel timeline.
and it didn’t work
The purpose of not committing genocide isn’t to get credit for not committing genocide. It’s to not commit genocide.
No, I’m from universe as you. Democrats didn’t commit genocide last year. I don’t know what else to say lol
Yes, they did, where the fuck have you been for the last two years? Because the rest of us have been witnessing it happen fucking livestreamed from Gaza, while also both parties repeatedly vote to send multiple billions of dollars in fucking bombs. And you’re a HUGE fucking piece of shit for denying that. But that’s to be expected from the people who literally laughed and covered their ears when we protested you assholes in 2024.
I just want you to know, as bad as you think the maga crowd are, you’re just as bad. Maybe even worse, because you somehow think you’re better than maga because your racism and white supremacy has a nicer, more civil facade. But you are just as disgusting and vile under your team blue mask. Fuck you.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Democrats didn’t commit genocide last year. I don’t know what else to say lol
Oh, my bad. I’ll just tell all those Palestinians they’re not dead, killed by a colonial regime armed and supported by the Democrats at the time.
I agree with you that we shouldn’t have sent military aid to Israel. I’m also not a 1 issue voter, and knew that the Trump administration would be worse on all issues (including your 1 issue), and acted accordingly
YES THEY FUCKING DID AND YOU VOTED FOR IT YOU DISGUSTING NAZI SCUM
Sometimes I forget that some people actually think it’s not genocide and support “Israel”.
I fucking DARE you to go to protest against the genocide and say soem shit like that to me IRL
I’ve held back when an iSSraeli nazi spat in my face for calling him a fucking nazi but if I hear some shit like this I wouldn’t be responsible for my actions
“Hold me back, anonymity! Hold me back!”
lmao, delusional
So I guess you believe trump when he says he got a ceasefire too? No? Then why aren’t you out protesting like so many of us still are literally ever week?
You don’t care and I have no reason to care about you
I wish I lived in your timeline
If they run Kamala again they deserve 3000 years of Trump
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Not you, you’ll be too busy supporting a genocide and being a smug asshole to contribute anything to anything
Edit: Just for the record, it was “Holocaust Harris”
We call your boy
“Genocide Joe” (a term originally coined HERE on Hexbear before anywhere else on the entire internet which we remain proud of) when we aren’t calling him :brump: because he was exactly like Trump and every one of you disgusting blue MAGA fascist freaks are exactly like the chuds you pretend to hateWe called them that because of what they did, because of what you supported
Nothing will ever change what you are and you clearly have no intention of changing, you supported a fucking genocide and you lost because of it and you learned nothing
I hope you are having the 4 years you voted for 🥰
Oh look, the seething emoji
I hope you have a lifetime of what you voted for Palestinians. Which is to say, I hope you die.
The inference being that by not voting for Harris, we voted for Trump - the guy who wants us, and you, and pretty much anyone who isn’t a Nazi to be killed.
You’re really not dodging this whole idea that you support genocide.
I voted for the PSL and I live in NY so piss off, fuck off then drink all your piss while reading what the electoral college is you ignorant blue MAGA imbecile
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Do you understand that people can think the Democrats are bad and also think the Republicans are bad?
Two things can be true!
democrats in power never prove better for leftists.
Clinton’s years were easily the worst.
You don’t think this year is worse than the 90’s?
The 90s were the funeral march of the Soviet Union - the bleakest moment in humanity’s existence.
Nothing is worse than the 90’s. Trump is just a silly carnival on the ashes - nothing really of note.
Maybe we do live in different timelines
The worst things the Trump regime is doing are dragging us backwards to the Evangelical christofascist status quo of the Bush and Clinton years. Which makes sense, given Trump and the Clintons have been lifelong friends and allies.
Yeah, you could really feel the love in the air when Trump invited Bill’s rape victims to the debate in 2016 and loomed over Hillary and vowed to imprison her.
Every year is worse than the previous year, you’re the piece of shit who’s trying to claim 2020-2024 was anything other than worse
I guess moving goal posts is OK when libs who support genocide and literal nazis overseas do it
be angry if you want, but that won’t change anything.
Edit: Well you edited that to something too boring to respond to, so I’ll do the same
shitlib responded to the wrong comment and then got mad about it
Did they think they were responding to ElChapo? That’s kind of funny. Accidentally put the reply to “drink piss you ignorant blue MAGA” into the “well you can be mad if you want, that’s your choice” mailbox.
No, 9to5 originally made a comment about how they didn’t live in the US and hoped we were having a good time. 🤷♂️
Then they edited it to what you see above
Better yet gargle the piss then jump off a bridge
Coward can’t even stand on your own words, my only edits are for typos and to add more to the massive list of reasons you suck
I didn’t say you edited anything. Look again. I was replying to someone else
I just hope the US gets its shit kicked in if it decides to invade Venezula
No one should die for Americas foreign policy… but if it happens
I hope Venezuela will make them pay for it
I’m not expecting it, since casualty avoidance is a fundamental part of modern US military doctrine. The US Empire understands that it’s very important that their military be viewed as invincible and able to act with impunity.
That’s a good thing, in a way; it means that Venezuela “merely” has to be a prickly enough target that there is some danger that an F-35 gets shot down. IMO, that’s why the US will probably do a combination of cruise missiles at hard central targets, and then F-35 strikes on less defended periphery targets. It’s way of calibrating your attack so that it looks big and tough (you get one of those night-time videos of an explosion in Caracas), while avoiding risk.
(An actual ground invasion would be a gigantic shitshow, of course)
