Whenever my trans friends hear about a cis person with ANY hobby they’re always like “oh yeah they’re gonna be coming out any day now”.
What do only trans people have hobbies?
Crossdressing is one of the most cis hobbies possible, because if it aligns with your gender then it’s not crossdressing.
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This is the kind of logic bomb i love
It’s only crossdressing if gender’s getting crossed. Otherwise, it’s just sparkling getting dressed.
No. Just as there is no action one can undertake that doesn’t immediately and irrevocably give all potential partners the ick according to the internet, there is no possible activity you can participate in that doesn’t come across as egg coded to someone.
Or it’s gay (derogatory) or it’s gay (approving)
Everything I do is gay (both) by definition
it is true, I had a hobby once, now I’m a transgender, then I had another hobby that caused me to transition back to the one I started with, I’ve done this so many times that I actually forgot what I was at first
Rolling up to the game store as a Ranma 1/2 bit
Cis people like football and complaining about minorities. Never seen em do anything else
Football is fun and cool, and I don’t think football fans are especially bigoted, not any more than Warhammer or D&D fans
Football fans are so queerphobic and misogynist that local trans discords have set up early warning systems for days when there’s a game in town, but things may look different if you’re in the US.
Hello trans historian here who has written about sports and currently lives in Europe but is from America
The reason why American sports and European sports have such wildly different cultures is the history of how the leagues were formed.
European professional sports come from the British. The Brits pro sports leagues were just the amateur leagues which eventually allowed professionalism. This meant that since the beginning the crowds have always been super hardcore into it and less family oriented and mostly adult working class men. It was the same people on the teams who was watching it.
In America professional sports originated with the creation of professional leagues separated the wildly popular amateur college sports system. These leagues like the NFL and MLB were able to have more dictation over security and over what kinda people they wanted at games.
So all these baseball and football teams in America very very very early on did promotions for families and for people to bring their wife and kids. Make it a family friendly event. That’s because before the 70s basically all the money was tied up in seat sales at games and they wanted more money. Instead of the working class did, you got two more tickets with his kid and wife.
Europeans were unable to follow this because teams were financially hostage to their fans and couldn’t risk changes that would make them leave. So instead they did the opposite where they did everything for the fans which created a culture that only allowed straight cis men. (This also led to clubs excusing hooliganism and white nationalist elements in their fanbases)
You see now since Americans and Arab gulf countries have bought all these teams, they’re trying to make the teams more 'family friendly " to sell more tickets and there’s been some backlash
It’s crazy that American sports are so much more welcoming to women and queer people because they know they can more money that way
Great comment. Football teams formed as workers’ rec teams in many Western Eruopean countries, and simply became a reflection of the surrounding cultural milieu and material conditions.
Also America has the same rec sport history with college football which was amateur for over a hundred years and took until only a few years ago to officially go pro.
For over decades the second largest sport in america was the amateur college football conferences which are now professional
Similar working class sports leagues used to exist in America but they all died probably like, 80 or so years ago.
The MLB and NFL were truly revolutionary in their tactics and ability to demolish the competition and monopolize a country the size of a continent.
There used to be dozens of baseball leagues for instance, separated by prestige, class, region, and race
They’re all gone now
Football fans are so queerphobic and misogynist
This is true but a minor counterargument is that lots of women love football and women’s football also tends to be very queer friendly.
This is a trans topic so I’m digressing but my point of contention is that the op mentioned minorities in their comment. Warhammer and DND might be more welcoming spaces for certain trans folk but can be extremely classist and unhealthy environments for lots of other minorities
This is true but a minor counterargument is that lots of women love football and women’s football also tends to be very queer friendly.
True, although unfortunately men’s football really overshadows women’s football in most places outside the US.
This is a trans topic so I’m digressing but my point of contention is that the op mentioned minorities in their comment. Warhammer and DND might be more welcoming spaces for certain trans folk but can be extremely classist and unhealthy environments for lots of other minorities
Sadly correct as well. I’m also a bit torn on the trans inclusivity of Warhammer and D&D - post gamergate a lot of traditional “nerdy” spaces have gathered a small, but extremely vocal and organized minority of reactionary weirdos that will do everything in their power to make these hobbies as hostile to marginalized people as possible. It has gotten to the point that some TTRPG communities i know have sparked private, secluded offshoots intended as safer spaces for women, racialized and queer people.
Also, i’ve found it pretty easy to look for new groups mostly in trans communities. I think that can make the supposed trans relatedness of certain hobbies a self fulfilling prophecy, when you’re feshly outed and looking for trans friends the easiest way to do that is to pick up TTRPGs, TCGs or WH40k.
While there are many cool football fans, I do not believe there is a fandom that has been involved in more hate crimes than football.
There are literally billions of football fans so that might just be the law of averages
I don’t accept that. There are likely hundreds of thousands of knitters and they have yet to organise into doing even a minor ethnic cleansing.
Knitting isn’t a collectivist hobby, it’s kind of an apples and oranges comparison.
they have yet to organise into doing even a minor ethnic cleansing.
I don’t think ‘genocider’ is an appropriate label for the vast majority of football fans
Knitting circles can get kinda nasty sometimes but in a “Mean Girls” way not a nazi way.
Get in loser, we’re stitching scarves
Knitting is a hobby most people either do in private or in very small groups.
If knitting circles had 1000s of people and gathered in giant public stadiums you’d maybe have some Nazi knitting circle gangs.
There are white nationalist soccer hooligan groups that teams refuse to get rid of
That may be true, but it is the most popular and publicized sport/hobby on the planet.
Other hobbies don’t even make it into the rankings to get involved in a per capita question. Knitting has, to my knowledge, never been involved in even a singular crime against humanity.
Edit: The only hobby that does is probably gaming.
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but for premier league watchers
in eastern europe they throw bananas at Black players and make monkey noises
They do this in Western Europe as well but that doesn’t change the fact this could happen in the other hobby groups discussed if they had the same ubiquity.
Also, those footballers still train and compete with each other. I’ve seen videos of black dnd players chronicling their experiences at DND tables and it’s not pleasant.
The sport itself is fun to play but football watchers suck and you cant move me on that being i have to interact with them all the time
ay but football watchers suck
I don’t necessarily disagree with this but other hobbies listed here have extremely problematic fanbases but might perhaps be more transcoded and not have the popularity or collectivist/proletarian appeal to make them potentially dangerous.
You seem to really buy into this idea that football is specifically collectivist which is fascinating. Have fun defending football vehemently then i guess
You can convince me when all the football wankers for my entire life didn’t ostracise and belittle me over a mid sport, exclude all queers and women and be the center beacon for chud hyper masculine bullshit. But you’d need to rewrite reality for that
You seem to really buy into this idea that football is specifically collectivist which is fascinating. Have fun defending football vehemently then i guess
I don’t think it’s specifically collectivist. I just don’t agree that it’s inherently fascist or anti-minority, and by extension, neither are its fans.
You can convince me when all the football wankers for my entire life didn’t ostracise and belittle me over a mid sport, exclude all queers and women and be the center beacon for chud hyper masculine bullshit. But you’d need to rewrite reality for that
Not trying to minimize your experiences here.
I guess in the same way that you’ve never felt welcome in football, I’ve felt ostracized and belittled in Warhammer or DND spaces despite actually really being interested in the latter.
Are we talking American football or association football?
I was thinking this too. I think american football has a stronger case of being cis coded, pure american brain.
I was talking about ass foot
The only socially approved cis male hobbies are Gun, Car, Sport, Guitar, and vidya games about the first 3 of these.
I can’t speak for the cis female side because I wasn’t socialized as one, though I suspect their number is more.
The only socially approved cis male hobbies are Gun, Car, Sport, Guitar, and vidya games about the first 3 of these.
you forgot alcoholism
Eh I’ve had some trans friends into that hobby
Anything that demonstratively makes your life worse (smoking, drinking, gambling) could be in a category.
I love to gamble. The trick is to keep gambling until you win.
That’s not a hobby. Doing your own brewing or distilling is a hobby though.
Cis people are boring
Just because it’s true doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt our feelings.
It does, but we can be less boring by experimenting with new hobbies — that was what we were talking about, right?
Can confirm I’m boring, fookin nailed it
If any existed, it would merely be a performance meant distract from the truth.
Fuck yeah, free everyone using metal files!!
Going from my parasocial relationships with trans podcasters I think it’s very funny when they badger people about being eggs so maybe theyre just messing with the cissies
cissies should not get to complain about this and that calling somebody an egg is apparently kinda controversial on here is fucking laughable
I say we should let the cissies complain: I like to see them squirm; it’s cute to me.
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when i suggested forcefem, i was thinking more along the lines of “get an injection rifle as used for the anesthesia of large zoo animals, load it up with estradiol enanthate darts, aim for the butt, repeat dosing in weekly intervals”, but i admit this has a certain charm
Wait are people complaining? Lol
It’s probably just because more people are safer coming out as trans so the catalog of “indicators” is broadening to reflect that phenomenon. Also because they are all alive now they share the zeitgeist with everyone and are tapped in. I just think our pattern-recognizing human brains are looking for patterns, and some people like to use that for humor or something but I wouldn’t really dig much deeper than that
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What about openly transgender people?
They’re secretly trans-trans. It’s the next phase of the woke mind virus and if you tolerate it, your children will be next.
I’m trying to sign my children up but the page won’t load can i just have a woke virus party and get them intentionally infected?
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i kinda feel like most pure hobbies are regarded as eccentric, like we’re all being pressured to either covert them into “side-hustles” or drop them for something that can be, or find something that is professional development oriented. like there’s this pressure around disclosing a hobby to justify it if it’s well outside of your “work life.”
this opinion goes for hobbies that are outside the generally-approved gender-coded ones like regionally popular or seasonal sports, or ones that dovetail with professional networking and their affinity groups like golf-business or whatever is connected to the profession (i.e. outdoor education w/ rock climbing). there can be a social aspect to hobbies that i think invites some amount of pull into certain groupings, because maybe a group wants to invite more participants.
Funkopop collecting seems to be limited to cis people… With one exception who is on this site but shall not be called out here in order to spare her from further public shaming.
Side note: I wish more trans people were into comic books. More reading instead of collecting. I’d love to have other trans folks I could discuss comics with.
I’ve got plenty of mangoes I like to read but not as much non-Japanese comics. If nothing else I recently came into possession of InkaLill’s Felina: Spreke Påfunn, an old Norwegian comic book about a cat furry, so that’s something.
That Norwegian comic definitely sounds interesting. I’m generally not into superhero stuff, but am mostly into horror or oddball alternative and/or underground comics stuff. Non-Anglo origin comics are especially interesting.
Not true my girlfriend is trans and her dad’s closet is filled with hundreds of funkos
I’m guessing the Funko-obsessed dad is cis though, right?
No, it’s hers. She trans as a teen and then immediately started collected Rick and morty funkos.
In that case I apologize for any implied negative judgment against Funko collectors on my part
potterheads
I think before she came out as a TERF there was a decent number of trans Potter fans.
Bitching about trans people? OP youre
I ain’t complaining, I found it amusing not annoying.
What are the hobbies your trans friends have said this of?
Warhammer 40k, film photography, model planes, anything really
Honestly, anything can be a trans-coded hobby if you’re willing to abstract “thing that people get really into for an extended period of time” to “autistic people are almost definitely the dominant voices in the spaces around this thing” to “autistic people are disproportionately way more likely to be trans” to “therefore, trans people must be a very significant part of the community around this thing” to “therefore, this is a trans-coded hobby”. This doubly applies to any hobby that skews younger, where people are way more likely to be out; anything that involves creative expression with which one could vent the pain of existence or whatever; and anything that involves roleplaying/worldbuilding that would let one get fucky with gender roles in a safe space. More broadly this applies to anything that comes across as particularly “nerd shit for social outcasts” compared to other hobbies; for vintage film photography I’m willing to guess there’s some element of “lost childhood” to it as well; and if a hobby already has a connotation of being trans-coded it could become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Ultimately, though, it’s very silly. I wouldn’t assume anything about a person’s gender based on what hobbies they’re into.
40k and HOI4 are the only true (stereotypical) trans hobbies (that applied to me personally)
The local 40k scene for me has heavy divorced cis dad energy. MTG is where all the trans gamers are at least for my store
Damn maybe it’s time to get back into magic
Checks out
Warhammer 40k
What is their preferred faction?
That varies a bit.
Probably the most common is chaos space marines. I haven’t met any trans Ork players though.
getting into voice training but it’s so you can do a proppa orky voice
“Okay git, now whacha gotta do is talk from da back of your throat…”
Who wouldnt want to be an angry british mushroom
CSM I could see. I was just curious. I’m a Necron main, but I’m cishomo. I got in when it was just the mindless terminator aesthetic, but stuck around after the Egyptian style aesthetic revamp. I see all my overlords as very catty.
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