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Posadas [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net to Chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 days ago

Quick question from across the pond. What's the point of a jury if the judge decides they made the wrong decision and punishes them?

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Quick question from across the pond. What's the point of a jury if the judge decides they made the wrong decision and punishes them?

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Posadas [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net to Chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 days ago
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https://xcancel.com/i/status/2013599876571898320

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  • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    The point is to have a ritualistic performance validating the judge’s ruling as coming from the people.

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    Imagine being Henry Fonda in 12 Angry Men, convincing the jury, then when you present your verdict to the judge he orders your arrest.

  • Flyberius [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    I dunno. Kinda of like, what’s the point of health insurance if you still need to pay out of pocket whenever you visit the hospital…

    • Posadas [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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      So you’re saying we need a luigi-dance for judges?

      • Flyberius [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Hell yeah

  • Wertheimer [any]@hexbear.net
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    Alabama is the only state where judges have routinely overridden jury verdicts of life to impose capital punishment.

    Since 1976, Alabama judges have overridden jury verdicts 112 times. Judges have authority to override life or death verdicts, but 91% of overrides have overruled jury verdicts of life to impose the death penalty.

    Judge override is a significant contributor to Alabama’s high death sentencing rate. Nearly 20% of the people currently on death row were sentenced to death through judicial override.

    https://eji.org/reports/judge-override/

  • Moonstruck_Theorist [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    I’m sorry, we need a second jury to deliberate on the validity of the first jury

    • Wheaties [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      Is peer-ship compounding? Does the second jury need to be comprised of people who’ve served jury duty before?

      • Posadas [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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        Idk, probably need a third jury just to be sure.

        • booty [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          You’re only allowed to be a juror if you’ve served 900 consecutive days of jury duty. Huh, this is almost as dystopian as job requirements yea

          • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            The “blue alien” personality test but for jury duty

    • ChaosMaterialist [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      A still from the Fellowship of the Ring of Pippin (standing next to Merry) asking about second breakfast.

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    ACAB and that means judges, too.

    • sewer_rat_420 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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      I’ve been reading the Assata auto-biography and I can’t agree more with this sentiment.

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    lmao good luck getting a jury to convict a jury for giving the answer they believe in

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      deleted by creator

    • Wertheimer [any]@hexbear.net
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      On the other hand: Jury Selection Proving Difficult In Trial Of ‘The Jury Killer’

  • culpritus [any]@hexbear.net
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    Jury Nullification (derogatory)

  • Maturin [any]@hexbear.net
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    This is a UK court right?

    spoiler

    About to make a constitutional argument despite understanding that words on paper don’t actually mean sh*t when you get down to it:

    US Supreme Court has determined that jurors have constitutional right to nullify laws but in the UK it was just a “norm.”

  • segfault11 [she/her, any]@hexbear.net
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    laws are fake
    are
    fake

    • lilypad [pup/pup's, it/its]@hexbear.net
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      silly

      Laws:

           Are   Fake
      Are  Are   A rake
      Fake Faker Fake
      

      ∴ Laws are a rake faker.

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    Your honor, do you think youre gonna find a jury to convinct a jury?

  • NinaPasadena [she/her, any]@hexbear.net
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    No your honor it’s not my conscience that is making me hand down this verdict. In fact I find the charge repulsive. To break a window. This violates our most sacred norms. However I’m just not convinced by the evidence. We must find the true culprit.

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    From the one time I had to report for jury duty, it’s because juries are supposed to consider only the facts presented by both the prosecution and the defense when making their decision.

    Edit: Essentially like everything in the US, we like to think it’s all a carefully managed system with checks and balances. In reality it’s just a byzantine nightmare of rules, norms, and loopholes.

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    In Denmark juries were introduced in 1919. They were allegedly supposed to ensure concurrence between the popular sense of justice and the criminal justice system.

    The only field where these juries gave noticeable different verdicts from those of professional judges was in abortion cases where the juries were more lenient. The state reacted a couple of years later, not by relaxing the laws that banned abortion at the time and bringing them in alignment with popular sentiment, but by excluding abortion cases from jury trials.

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