Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
stealing other people’s cells to eat them
This will become a sex thing for sure
I made a post about that a while ago: https://feddit.uk/post/14228639
Well if they combine that with 3D printed cell scaffolds they can eventually make a flesh fleshlight out of their own cells
The time is coming for the most involved “go fuck yourself” ever.
Streets ahead
There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.
3D printed cell scaffolds combined with this mean you can shape them
Now I wonder if someone has actually tried making a dildo from cultured flesh and skin
But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?
We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person’s life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.
In the current hypothetical:
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It’s screened, you can’t legally sell prion meat
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It’s taken nonlethally as a sample from a consenting human, possibly you
Ethical
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would you be OK with eating them
are they yummy ?
Haven’t tried it, you’ll have to make your own judgement there!
So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it’s a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don’t think it’s unethical, but it’s still a weird thing]
Yeah, I’m also unsure how I feel about it, I asked because it’s such a strange thing to think about
Well your body technically canabalises itself if you starve to death
This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.
In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.
Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.
I would 100% at least try my own home grown meat cells.
Damn, I love your response, even though I don’t know of I agree! Are you Vegan?
I personally see it as No, because I see us humans as special. Speaking as an atheist, end of day, we are special as humans.
I eat meat, I try to limit it to the ethically harvested. Hunted, family farm grown, it even tastes the best, any concerns aside. But eating a person is WRONG, consent or no.
Why is it wrong though? And why/how are people special? You didn’t provide any reasoning to either.
It’s interesting that you ask if they are vegan, as if understanding the ethical problems of eating meat would only be valid if you are also strictly vegan.
You evidently understand it is not completely ethically correct to eat animals in all circumstances, as you say you only eat ethically harvested meat. But you also say you believe humans to be special as a reason to eat animals, so why not eat all animals under all circumstances?
The main point though, why would it still be wrong to eat human meat if lab grown and consensual?
I’m not vegan or vegetarian anymore because I have a lot of allergies that prevent me from eating plant based anything. But I also try to limit it to locally and ethically harvested when I do eat meat.
I identify as agnostic and definitely don’t believe that any one living being is better or more special than the others (except maybe cats).
If you’re eating yourself I think it’s autophagy
As long as it’s not coerced, yes (not the brain).
As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
Even if you did, while super weird as long as you didn’t get the cells through violence it’s probably still more ethical than the meat industry.
You can probably use some violence and still come out ahead. I don’t know how to do that math though.
And what if you don’t own a Honda?
without causing harm to animals
- Humans are animals
- Growing me-steak and eating it causes psychic damage
- Therefore, an animal was harmed
If we cultured cells from someone with an autocannibalism fetish, would it then be OK?
Like I take 1d4 psychic damage whenever I see furries at cons, but I don’t think they should have to be banned
I don’t think you can generalize that. I’d love to have little me-steaks and I’d even share them with friends, especially if they can be a Möbius strip.
As long as the human chooses to grow their me-steaks themselves I see no issue.
Just don’t get psychic damage, skill issue ngl
Incoming: nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
Imagine the network of Taylor Swift DNA trading.
And you know someone is going to fuck it.
What are the ethics of fucking a steak made from a non-consenting Taylor Swift’s tissue sample?
Unethical??
I’d agree that taking the sample is unethical, but if you’re growing the steak from a sample someone else got or fucking it the ethical lines get really blurry.
Idk, I don’t think they’re that blurry if we compare them to similar “conundrums” in other unethical circumstances.
Like, would you think the same of someone owning child porn? They don’t distribute it, they don’t film the children themselves, they just own the recordings. The law says they’re a criminal, but it seems like a similar ethical conundrum - no? (To be clear, I think eating meat sourced from someone who did not consent is wrong. I hope that says enough about how I feel about CP.)
How about owning the schematics for a ghost gun? You haven’t printed it, you haven’t distributed the schematic - you just own the schematic (and, for the purpose of the example, a 3d printer capable of printing the parts needed).
Seems like the answer is “it’s unethical”. Gonna need a third party to weigh in.
The closest thing to this exact situation would be the HeLa immortal cell line and that situation is fuzzy as fuck.
HeLa immortal cell line
TIL, thanks!
So I think it’s more like if u got a papermache piñata from some one that just so happened to be made of child porn and then u fucked that… Yeah seems unethical to me
You aren’t seeing the big picture here…hear me out:
TRUMP STEAKS, but the real deal this time!!!
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nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
Meat is already produced without consent and much more violently then taking samples.
But how else will we know which neighbor tastes the best?
Wasn’t there a short story about this?
I remember a magic school bus episode about kid flavored ice cream
Of course it’s ethical, unless I’m seriously misunderstanding something you literally have to make the decision to buy it and then partake in it.
I guess you can use it unethically but by default intended usage it’s fine
Would any of you care to taste my meat?
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical. I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird, but not unethical.
I wouldn’t do that because that would feel weird,
I mean, it’s basically homemade spam. It’s kinda weird.
To me that’s more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical.
I think most people would actually consider factory farming unethical, they just put the blame on the producers for treating animals like shit. And the producers are locked into a race to the bottom for competitive prices, so they’d blame the customers/market conditions.
Haha I’ve been saying for fucking years that boutique lab growing meat outlets will pop up selling exotic animal meats and celebrity human meat. We are getting close to that future
Its not the ‘eat the rich’ that I was hoping for… Might be the one we deserve.
Eat the rich (onlyfans celebrities).
Oh God, the amount of people lining up to buy an OF persons meat…
😬
They can include the bath water for half price so you can make soup!
“I’ll take a burger, mediums rare, & let’s do a 50/50 blend of Ground Chuck & Beyoncé on Sourdough.”
Ground Chuck
Palahniuk or Norris?
Republican meat is ewwh
Palahniuk it is then
Woolery. Dry aged, of course.
The former seems more appropriate.
Palahnuik has written an auto cannibalism scene. In Haunted, girl passes out, other people decide to eat her (framing story is that it’s a reality tv show, but they all want it to go wrong and kill each other, it is extremely fucked up and is where “Guts” is from if you’ve ever been subjected to that). She wakes up to the smell of her own ass in the microwave.
Wretched vore future unlocked.
What are the chances this doesn’t result in a rise of (traditional) cannibalism? High profile cannibalism case where they tasted a sample of a celebrity and went for the real deal.
That wasn’t on my bingo card…
I bet I taste delicious!
This is ethical despite it walking the line of taboo. It hurts no one, and if the tissue sample can be extracted at home without causing damage to the donor I see no issue with it.
It’s unethical because it’s gross and I personally don’t like it.
This guy understands the root of ethics
I mean it worked for gay sex!
Anyone who doesn’t like gay sex hasn’t tried it.
Meh, not everyone is good at sex no matter the proclivity
It’s ethical relativism y’all!
Why not take the cells of farm animals and create steaks, etc?
Sure, but where’s the upside? (ethically, not sure if consuming your own meat could have some sort of weird effect on you, even though afaik the usual cannibalism issues wouldn’t apply). If anything it’s more ethical to take it from yourself because you consent to it, the farm animal probably doesn’t.
I would be worried about disease first, but if it’s your own cells maybe there’s less chance? Prions are terrifying
My second question would be taste
If there’s no disease and it tastes good then fuck yeah all in
Those cannibals who got prions ate human brain.
Theoretically, if you don’t consume any of spine or nervous system, you should be good.
I can’t grow me a spine steak?
What even is the point then
Unless you already have prions from CJD you can’t catch Kuru by eating yourself. You have to actually eat someone who already has prions to catch it. Even then you have to eat nervous system tissue to be at a significant risk.
What if I want to grow my steak into a hollow-cylinder shape, and also, not eat it, per-se?
I would try this in a fucking heartbeat
Fuck yeah, I might lose weight!
Ethically sourced human? Same. Sign me the fuck up. Not for a subscription or anything, but I really want to try it.
It’s unethical because you can’t safely perform muscle biopsies at home, thus it is a violation of the duty of care, and culturing stratified squamous epithelium and calling it meat(and steak no less) is lying without any benefit to others, which is a fundamental ethical violation.
But couldn’t you just grow one steak and then take cells from it to grow more?
I think you would get the copy of a copy problem. DNA in cells degrade overtime. I think with lab grown meat this is much worse than normal human aging.
Good point, I don’t know much about this sort of thing.
Cells were collected from a cheeck swab. And it’s not a real product, it’s an art project.
Yeah I know. Cheek cells are stratified squamous epithelium.
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Don’t you get prions from canibalism
Also if this costs less than supermarket meat I could buy some beef and clone it
Yes and no. You get prions from eating a person that’s also infected with prions. Basically if you eat cloned meat of yourself it should be fine as you either already have prions, or you don’t already have prions. Prions manifest as either CJD if you got it naturally or Kuru if you got it through canibalism.
Is muscle tissue even infectious? (Especially when grown from a few cells) Don’t you need to eat some brain or spinal cord?
I think the brain is only where the concentration of prions is highest and therefore the most dangerous part of an infected person to eat, but you can also get it from other body parts. But I’m no expert… haven’t eaten anyone in years actually.
Yes, it can pass through muscle/meat. That’s what was getting people with CJD and possibly this zombie deer stuff.
Eating brain/spinal cord is not required to contract a prion disease; prions can also be spread through any biological medium where protein material is located, for instance, blood. This is the reason why those who have CJD or other TSEs in their family are unable to donate blood.
This is also how vampires became extinct.
The blood relative thing is kind of silly, it should be mothers only but it also bans you if your father contracted it after you were born.
The reason for that actually makes sense. It’s rarely clear how and when someone contracted a prion disease at time of diagnosis, and often it is unclear which specific prion disease a person has. While it may seem that a father contracted a prion disease after you were born, it could also be that the father has an inheritable prion disease that you too may have inherited.
Yes, I think I was wrong with my assumption.
Fuck, I’ve always wanted to eat human meat anyway. I’d kill for a sample like this. I don’t care about morals here. I’m a vegetarian. I just want to know. If my buddy was like “ayy we’re eating Dan from accounting’s arm tonight” I’d be there with no questions asked. The police can sort it out.
I mean, if you’d kill for that you don’t need the kit.
I’d kill for a sample like this.
oh boy do I have something to tell you
I don’t want to eat human meat, but I don’t mind if you kill that asshole from accounting.
Fun fact : Human meat is an excellent source of protein 🤓
Thats what im thinking- i rarely eat meat but how could i pass up ethical long pig? Im too curious
You can eat placenta, if you really want to eat human.
fetal bovine serum (FBS)… is derived from the blood of calf fetuses after their pregnant mothers are slaughtered by the meat or dairy industry.
I did not know this… and after reading the wiki, I found it rather disturbing…
The first stage of the production process for FBS is the harvesting of blood from the bovine fetus after the fetus is removed from the slaughtered cow. The fetus dies from the lack of oxygen by remaining in the protective environment of the uterus for a minimum of 15–20 minutes after the cow is dead…
The whole point of this art project is to suggest that using expired human blood serum is acceptable for growing lab meat btw. That’s what they used to culture the cheek cells. Took them several months to grow that amount though and cheek cells have very different requirements to muscle cells, so I dunno why they were presenting it as an option. Guess that’s why it was an art project and not a presentation at a conference.
That sounds like some Dark Souls/Evangelion shit. “Harvest the blood of the fetus after pulling it from its dead mother”
Me in the lab needing to use FBS for routine cell culture media…
So what do you think when you work with HeLas?
I have read “The Immortal Life Of Henrietta Lacks” and absolutely find it appalling that her cells were taken without her consent, and she and her family was never properly compensated.
I’ve only worked with HeLa cells once, and they were super hardy and easy to grow. Even if you forget to check on them for a week, they’ll start growing on top of each other when the monolayer becomes fully confluent. Easy to transfect as well.
