A feminist guy who is in his late twenties and dates a 19-year-old
A regular Joss Whedon
He’s feminist because he still splits the bill 50/50.
power dynamics
he/him
this joke
Oh no oh shit oh fuck
I’ve worked really hard to make sure my 18 year old doesn’t fall into the manosphere/mra/conservative trap. It has taken a lot of actual active parenting, discussions and compassion. Knowing all his peers and their parents… I guess we’re screwed.
broke: MRA
woke: IRA
On flip side, I have a daughter and I’m trying to figure how I help navigate all this when she gets older.
I’m getting a little uncomfortable with the whole “all gen Z men are fascists” rhetoric lately. I don’t think that’s true. way too many of them are for sure, but there’s plenty of leftists or at least radlibs too. a lot of Gen Z men at those campus protests for Palestine. from what I can tell Gen Z has been radicalized in all sorts of different directions, but the media only wants to talk about the ones who have been radicalized to the right… for some reason
and let’s not act like older men are any better. millennials and Gen X created the manosphere and a lot of them are consuming it too
I’m gen Z and my partner is a millennial guy #AgeGap #PowerDynamics
.
.
.
(we were born in ‘98 and ‘95, respectively)
stuff like this really illustrates how fake generations are. you’re in a “different generation” with someone 3 years older, but in the “same generation” as someone 15 years younger, while your partner is in the “same generation” as someone 15 years older
it’s very interesting how the “power gap” arguers never use the same argument for other axes of power
like supposedly it’s a huge power gap if a 30 year old dates a 23 year old
but it’s not a power gap if a white guy dates a black girlmakes no sense whatsoever, literally nobody in the history of the world has been shot for being 23 years old
It comes up a lot in disability dating discourse. Like, who can someone who is developmentally delayed meaningfully date etc
Not that I necessarily agree with the age gap discourse (never participated), but isn’t it a different thing with age since it’s about maturation?
Also, I’ve definitely seen people at least talk about the power dynamics between rich americans dating people in lower income countries. That shit can go sideways fast especially if one individual had the power to decide the other’s visa status.
but isn’t it a different thing with age since it’s about maturation?
Okay but how is maturity is a source of power? (assuming you can even tell someone’s maturity level from age, which is itself a stereotype/very imperfect proxy)
for the record I think that men who exclusively look at young women are creepy but the discourse around it is the same quality as lib discourse on communism
I’ve definitely seen people at least talk about the power dynamics between rich americans dating people in lower income countries.
yea but at like 1% the rate of the age gap stuff
I mean, I ain’t gonna go too deep into it because I’m not a fan of age gap discourse myself. But I think a sufficiently large maturation could certainly a large power dynamic (ex - adult and child) because I guess maturation allows one to set boundaries more clearly, recognise when they are crossed and enforce them.
Psyop article I don’t believe men from older generations are any better and especially not the ones going after 19 year old women
If we take this graph at face value (it’s boxed in by the US party duopoly and the nost extreme young men probably weren’t interested in a poll about their beliefs) it amounts to a political divergence between the genders and young men being relatively more conservative:
Gen Z men, Deckman noted, have “reverted to the mean of men”: while they’re not necessarily more conservative that most men, they are more conservative than their millennial counterparts.
Thx for the info. Adding that a man identifying with left/lib politics doesn’t guarantee him to not be a misogynist, but a young woman may not yet recognize that.
Using the xkcd creepiness rule, it’s creepy if he’s over 24. If she’s 19 and he’s 22, that seems fine to me.
I originally wanted to date ~28 and up year olds but 22-25 year olds kept hitting on me
I have never gone after a woman, only waited (I’m 32 yo)
Honestly I feel like I’m taking crazy pills whenever people online talk about this, I barely see any tate influence in the young men I know. The older folks seem wildly misogynistic, in comparison.
And these aren’t even just people from like orgs, I volunteer at high schools and professional associations with student wings (in a generally conservative industry) where I meet plenty of young people.
Suddenly it makes a lot of sense why women 10-15 years younger than me keep hitting on me despite me really not having any interest in dating someone that much younger lol (I’m ~40 but I do also look kinda younger). Must fuckin suck to be a young woman with all this shit.
I can’t say much for how the straight demographic at that age is holding up because the only straight people i hang out with are a few pre-transition friends who are roughly my age, but when i’m in queer spaces and have a conversation with younger women i often hear them say stuff like “you know, i’m actually pan, BUT …” and then the horror stories about why they’ve given up on men begin.
I’m a newly minted pan, BUT am terrified of dating guys. However, I don’t pass as a woman at all—even if someone did my makeup (have not learned how to do it myself), my voice would give me away anyway—so I’m not as worried about cishet guys trying to hit on me/be awful to me. I know queer guys should be better but idk, mostly just looking for t4t right now.
Wassup fellow oldhead.
If you look at the top political streamers, the conservative and manosphere dominates podcasts and twitch streamers. Hasan seems to be the only one in a leftist direction that makes numbers anywhere near all the other guys. Maybe we need others who seem “cool” that appeal to a younger demographic? Idk.
be normalYes pls
can’t help but laugh that these were the same people making fun of Arabs for being “misogynistic”
Colonizers always project
Minor downside of transitioning is I will no longer get to mog guys by having an iota of emotional intelligence. I’ll just be “normal” or more likely deficient
Dating pre transition was definitely pretty easy because of how low the bar was for men but holy shit cishet dating dynamics and norms is so insanely stupid it makes me more than happy to deal with the much higher bar nowadays for wlw and lesbians
It’s a vicious cycle of watching porn, thinking real life is a porno, getting frustrated that you’re not sexed-up 24/7, seeking out other lonely men, getting radicalized off red pill types that prey on lonely men, rinse and repeat.
seeking out other lonely men,
the right move at that stage was kissing other lonely men and finding out true love there
That’s not true though, they get dates sometimes and they fuck it up because they don’t care about any sort of companionship but a specific form of domination and subjugation they’ve been primed for by fascist media. Them being with another man would either turn into some kind of gay panic murder or they’d mentally feminize their partner…
transphobia
…like you see 4chan-types were doing with transwomen/trap anime characters because they rhetorically say it’s actually even less gay to subjugate another man as your feminine partner, from their point of view.
spoiler
it seems that will never be a chud yaoi
Ai No Kusabi a '90s yaoi basically had gay space nazis on Jupiter with male sex slaves in it, but even that was probably too emotional and the narrative was too revolt-based for chuds.
They will just cosplay Ernst Röhm.
Lmao also somewhat explains how as a guy from that same time frame 90% of the friends I’ve made are lesbian. Like the you wanna hang out and drink a beer and talk about your shitty work? You don’t want some dude talking about whatever they saw on youtube, you want a salt of the earth lesbian who’s actually been through the ringer with you and you know you have each others backs
The kids are definitely not alright and they won’t be for a while.
I wonder if these guys ever realize, I’m voicing someone else’s opinions and not even getting a crumb of pussy.
Need some sort deprogramming for these dudebros along the lines of: Defending another man’s ideas on a date? Letting ideology ruin a good chance with a girl. Gay as fuck bro. (Jk)
Funny part is… You doing all this not only for someone that doesn’t know you exist, but said on social media that having sex with a woman to feel good is gay and probably thinks a woman’s orgasm is a myth. I don’t even go that hard for my team and you out here ruining ya dates over this no chin having ass goof?
My favourite shot at Andrew Taint; he was mildly successful in kickboxing not because he has a strong chin, but because he has a ninja chin, impossible to hit because you can’t find it.
He grew in his bread to hide the fact he literally doesn’t have a chin.
Females have no independent thought, by the way.
My hope is that nothing really changed for the worse, and it’s just that dating scenes are always dominated by men looking to score instead of get into a serious (and equitable) relationship.
Millennials had h3h3 and pewdiepie. I don’t think it meaningfully prevented those same viewers from a leftist turn if they were ever going to. Sometimes this shit just boils down to “kids can be dumb” and then they turn out fine after their prefrontal cortex finishes developing at 25.
The audience that took off for h3 (and that whole orbit) and pewdiepie* was definitely the older part of gen z, not millennials. There are zoomers that are as old as 28 (born in 1997).
*tbqh I don’t think pewdiepie deserves a mention here. Heated gamer moments aside, I really just don’t see him as a major political influence for the audiences that watched his stuff especially early on.
If older gen z were watching, then so were younger millennials… both of these creators were popular in the early 10s.
I don’t think pewdiepie deserves a mention
Fair, I don’t know that much about him except that he was the biggest YouTuber and had a few scandals for saying slurs.
Maybe I’m an optimist but I think it shouldn’t be that alarming that kids watch offensive things. They always have, forever. The millennials especially grew up in a new internet environment with minimal guardrails. Millennials saw a lot of gore and porn and edgy incel shit which was way easier to stumble upon than it is today, and with none of the warning labels. It probably felt cool to see that stuff, like flipping through grandpa’s playboy magazine, but that’s just angsty teenagers being angsty. I don’t see much cause for alarm in my personal experience with zoomers.
