If their beliefs are “you are subhuman, we need to kill you” they are welcome to change their beliefs. Or I will kill them. That is self defense. Get the fuck outta here with your fake morality
Yeah see because oppressors get to systemically starve people, manufacture crisises to sow mental health issues, deop bastions of pollution in your neighbors so you die to cancers and other health issues that arise, impoverish you so that you can’t afford to see anyone that can help any conditions that they helped cause to prevent your untimely death. The only moral response is to get on your knees and beg like a dog and deny yourself even a scrap of dignity praying they don’t continue to murder you and your loved ones in the dozens of ways that are socially acceptable.
Because fighting back is mean and makes you just as bad, and begging for mercy is the only moral response to a boot on your neck.
Edit: Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the violence they committed against Nazis?
You’re cornered, nowhere to run, nobody will answer your call. The person approaching you can’t be reasoned with nor frightened away. Its kill or be killed, what do you do?
so its more justied to let a hate group who chose to believe in a genocidal ideology murder oneself or one’s “fellow human beings” for hateful, bigoted reasons rather than to pursue violent self defense?
Murder is defined as an unlawful premeditated killing. Are you saying that the oppressed shouldn’t defend themselves with violence from an oppressive force which wants to murder them in a kill-or-be-killed scenario because it would be “unlawful” to do so?
If you consider these groups to be human, as I do, then yes I am standing up for them, specifically becaise they are human, and they should not be murdered.
Absolutely nobody is going to cry over dead nazis dipshit you are just making yourself look like a clown. Even the nazis don’t cry over dead nazis they all fucking laughed and joked behind Charlie Kirk’s back lmao
Hitler and the Nazis committed genocide against in no particular order: Jews, east Slavs (idk if this is the correct way to refer to Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians, it’s what Wikipedia used), Roma, Poles, Serbs, gay and transgender people, disabled people, and I’m sure many more. Actually I don’t know why that wikipedia list doesn’t include any black populations, even though they were victims of genocide in Nazi germany as well.
Any death of a Nazi is cause for celebration. Anybody in any of the above groups who kills a Nazi can justify it in self defense. As well as socialists and communists though I don’t list them amongst the other genocide victims since political persecution isn’t technically genocide iirc.
Jesus fucking Christ this post is about killing Hitler. The leader of the Nazi movement and head of the genocidal state.
Also this is ahistorical. Even at the height of fascism in Nazi Germany, in 1945 where the population had decreased and Nazi party membership was at its peak, 8 million people were members of the Nazi party and the total population in Germany was almost 70 million. Obviously it was possible to not be a member of the party. And this was after over a decade of indoctrination, youth programs, and mass murder on the part of Nazi party members from the top down to the rank and file. People did not have the freedom to identify as anything they wanted, but apart from those who had a literal or figurative gun held to their heads if they didn’t join, they didn’t have to be Nazis.
You have to draw the line when it comes to murder, on all sides, if you care about human life.
Yes, and if you care about human life you must draw the line somewhere after killing fascists. This is the obvious solution to the “paradox” of tolerance. If you want a society tolerant and safe for everyone possible, you must exclude those who make it intolerant and unsafe. And in this example, if you value human life, you must be willing to resist fascism by all means.
That would be great, but imagine being in a war and you say to your enemy “how about don’t kill me?” It would be great to stop violence, but lynching Hitler would be self defense. The victims of genocide are not murderers when they defend themselves.
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this is funny, but let’s try to emphasize the ‘no killing’ idea irl
The oppressed have a right to defend themselves.
murder is not defense
You’re exactly right!
When people want to kill your for immutable characteristics of your person, it is self defense to kill them first. It is no longer “murder”.
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If their beliefs are “you are subhuman, we need to kill you” they are welcome to change their beliefs. Or I will kill them. That is self defense. Get the fuck outta here with your fake morality
Okay, oppressor.
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social murder is still murder and you’d have us lay down and die
Yeah see because oppressors get to systemically starve people, manufacture crisises to sow mental health issues, deop bastions of pollution in your neighbors so you die to cancers and other health issues that arise, impoverish you so that you can’t afford to see anyone that can help any conditions that they helped cause to prevent your untimely death. The only moral response is to get on your knees and beg like a dog and deny yourself even a scrap of dignity praying they don’t continue to murder you and your loved ones in the dozens of ways that are socially acceptable.
Because fighting back is mean and makes you just as bad, and begging for mercy is the only moral response to a boot on your neck.
Edit: Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the violence they committed against Nazis?
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dang it I missed it, now I’ll never know what I could’ve dunked with
Killing someone who is in the act of trying to kill you is
Murdering hitler would be an act of defense holy shit dude
there’s no killing of someone who died decades ago
I’m saying you shouldn’t murder people whom are currently alive
So killing Hitler is bad? Even if he’s in a mecha suit and trying to kill you?
I won my game of WOlfenstein by debating Hitler in the marketplace of ideas
Amazing how that cheat code went hidden for 20+ years.
it would be extremely funny if this was the gg/suicide command
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now THAT would be an amazing video game
I mean videogames are one thing, lol. I’m saying not to murder humans whom are currently alive.
So if someone was approaching you with a knife with the intent to kill you and you had a gun, you’d just let them kill you?
no, i d run and call for help
You’re cornered, nowhere to run, nobody will answer your call. The person approaching you can’t be reasoned with nor frightened away. Its kill or be killed, what do you do?
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Killing nazis is the ultimate act of defense, there is literally no act of violence more justified than ending the threat of omnicdal maniacs
there are many acts more justied, like respecting the life of your fellow human beings
so its more justied to let a hate group who chose to believe in a genocidal ideology murder oneself or one’s “fellow human beings” for hateful, bigoted reasons rather than to pursue violent self defense?
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And what do you think saving them from murder is?
Good point, BJ should’ve just protested the Nazis in the police-marked protest zone with a sign featuring a zinger
to prevent the rise of Hitler and suppress the spread of fascism?
Murder is defined as an unlawful premeditated killing. Are you saying that the oppressed shouldn’t defend themselves with violence from an oppressive force which wants to murder them in a kill-or-be-killed scenario because it would be “unlawful” to do so?
What are you? A 12 year old hippie?
What do you think the army or the police are for? Legally mandated hugs?
Time to stop being a brunchie and grow up.
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I wonder if your comment history shows you standing up for immigrants or Palestinians or trans kids like you stand up for literal Hitler.
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It does not
Damn what a surprise, who ever could’ve seen that one coming?
They’re more upset over this than slavery 🙃
I’m saying no human should murder any human.
If you consider these groups to be human, as I do, then yes I am standing up for them, specifically becaise they are human, and they should not be murdered.
And what do you do with the humans who are relentlessly murdering mass numbers of other humans regardless of what you say?
Killing nazis is self defence when their entire ideology is “let’s create a society where we get to kill or enslave all minorities”.
Given that nazis want me dead I will always advocate that all nazis be killed and anyone that opposes that I will assume is probably also a nazi.
assuming how people think and identify is not a justification for murder
Absolutely nobody is going to cry over dead nazis dipshit you are just making yourself look like a clown. Even the nazis don’t cry over dead nazis they all fucking laughed and joked behind Charlie Kirk’s back lmao
Its fucking hitler. Are you absolutely tapped in the head?
I’m saying not to murder people who are alive, I’m not talking about people who died decades ago.
Hahaha how about no.
Especially involving fucking Hitler.
Hitler and the Nazis committed genocide against in no particular order: Jews, east Slavs (idk if this is the correct way to refer to Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians, it’s what Wikipedia used), Roma, Poles, Serbs, gay and transgender people, disabled people, and I’m sure many more. Actually I don’t know why that wikipedia list doesn’t include any black populations, even though they were victims of genocide in Nazi germany as well.
Any death of a Nazi is cause for celebration. Anybody in any of the above groups who kills a Nazi can justify it in self defense. As well as socialists and communists though I don’t list them amongst the other genocide victims since political persecution isn’t technically genocide iirc.
OK so killing Nazi children and their parents is self-defense?
You realize many people in these social movements do not have the freedom to identify as anything they want?
You have to draw the line when it comes to murder, on all sides, if you care about human life.
Jesus fucking Christ this post is about killing Hitler. The leader of the Nazi movement and head of the genocidal state.
Also this is ahistorical. Even at the height of fascism in Nazi Germany, in 1945 where the population had decreased and Nazi party membership was at its peak, 8 million people were members of the Nazi party and the total population in Germany was almost 70 million. Obviously it was possible to not be a member of the party. And this was after over a decade of indoctrination, youth programs, and mass murder on the part of Nazi party members from the top down to the rank and file. People did not have the freedom to identify as anything they wanted, but apart from those who had a literal or figurative gun held to their heads if they didn’t join, they didn’t have to be Nazis.
Yes, and if you care about human life you must draw the line somewhere after killing fascists. This is the obvious solution to the “paradox” of tolerance. If you want a society tolerant and safe for everyone possible, you must exclude those who make it intolerant and unsafe. And in this example, if you value human life, you must be willing to resist fascism by all means.
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That would be great, but imagine being in a war and you say to your enemy “how about don’t kill me?” It would be great to stop violence, but lynching Hitler would be self defense. The victims of genocide are not murderers when they defend themselves.
I’m not talking about not-murdering dead people like Hitler, I’m talking about not-murdering people who are alive.
What do you suggest the current victims being murdered by living versions of Hitler do? Passively resist as they are shuffled to the gas chamber?
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no.
Yes.