“Neurodiverse = wrong/broken/evil” is a brainworm that I wish would die. Sucks that it probably never will.
The worlds most evil people are able and “normal” for lack of a better word anyway.
Specifically, narsicism, which has become a cath-all word for “person I don’t like”.
This one is really amazing, because for a very long time “narcissist” was used casually by people who probably didn’t know it was a clinical disorder. Then, r*dditors specifically made sure everyone knew it was a clinical term and now everyone is a psychologist whenever someone does something bad in an interpersonal relationship / disagrees with them online.
Mainstreaming of psychology language has a lot of elements to it and they’re all bad. Psychologists are supposed to be experts who know their field and make mental health determinations based on large amounts of evidence, not a random person who watched a YouTube video and read an AITA post.
A lot of “legitimate” psychologists are about as qualified as a random person who watched a youtube video
Redditisms about that stuff is the worst. “don’t worry because worrying about being a narcissist means you aren’t one” yeah man I love pathologizing clinical disorders into simple good bad binaries, go die in a bog.
There’s a whole ass cottage industry of people making videos explaining how to survive narcissists. It’s ridiculous. Is someone abusing you? The abuser must be a narcissist! Do they not fit the normal symptoms of NPD? Then they’re clearly a covert narcissist!
Imagine the absolute backlash if people started saying “bipolar abuse” or “autistic abuse.”

Funny too because Reddit has a NPD support community, and when you read their experiences with NPD it sounds misserable.
Jesus Christ that top comment and then getting met with “wow I haven’t met such a self aware narcissist before”… Bleak.
Yeah absolutely brutal.
Whenever I get sick of this site I delete my account, touch grass and then inevitably I end up back online at some point. First stop is usually reddit, whichll remind me why I like hexbear
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Same deal with visible differences. I had an argument with someone who thought you could always tell by looking whether or not someone was evil. Like they’d watched so many movies that they thought that’s how life actually is.
Sounds like that someone could be judging for allism as well.
For sure. I’ve noticed a trend over the past year of autistic people being clocked as narcissists. Not sure why that particular one is in vogue but still.
I’ve noticed an increase in pathologising people as an insult in general. There are so many armchair pop psychologists throwing around terms they don’t understand.
I’ve noticed an increase in pathologising people as an insult in general.
I really think a lot of this is a result of r*ddit-type online culture. I don’t think people used “narcissist” to refer to the pathology in casual conversation much before it became really popular online. Previously, I think people just used it as an insult to tell people they were selfish. I think it also comes from things like police interrogation video slop that the YouTube algorithm shovels onto people. Copslop-brain.
Liberal self-care slop machine contributes a lot to it. “Hmm why is this person not behaving typically, in a way I expect them to, what’s their secret agenda, why aren’t they like everyone else? Oh I know they must only care about themselves, they must be what they call a narcissist! Omg those are dangerous people. I heard I should stay away from them at all costs. :O”
I mean

That whole quote about good people always being beautiful no matter how they look physically, because the goodness shines thru or whatever. I hate it. Pure lookism.
I really appreciate hexbear for pushing me to see this, and once I did, so much started feeling so alien to me. E.g. using “stupid” is just a catchword for anything you don’t respect but are unable to articulate why, and for some reason using a term which is essentialist about forms of intelligence? What an odd world it became.
Thanks hexbear, you made me a much better person
Using words like “s*upid” also often have this very misantropic undertone that translates so easily to fascism which I’ve become more and more aware of.
I was watching a driving related video yesterday and YT recommended some compilation videos under it with headers like “S*upid people in cars” and similar with even worse words that are used in the same way. And I found out I want nothing to do with that anymore.
It has an air of superiority to it, the people watching them and laughing at others get to imagine they are better than those [insert slur] people. It’s a tool of othering through and through and very normalized.
Once we start to unlearn it, it only then becomes clear how normalized it really is. And it is a form of supremacist thinking.
Unfortunately psychiatry has very much been a tool of oppression and the mainstream use of words that come from this system of othering are manifestations of the othering being fully mainstream.
In addition to being bad for neurodivergent people, it’s also awful for understanding society. I know liberals wouldn’t have a class analysis or anything anyways, but so often their first reaction to something bad happening that they don’t understand is diagnosing the people responsible with mental illnesses. What possible praxis could follow from that kind of view?
Even when used metaphorically (e.g., “Jeff Bezos is a sociopath”), in my experience, it always gets reified and becomes an obstacle for actual understanding.
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35·4 days agoIt very easily leads to eugenics. If the person is doing something bad because they are mentally ill, and there is no other reason, then only getting rid of the mentally ill can fix society.
I’ve been trying to wean myself off saying crazy, or insane or similar to refer to ideas i find baffling, but it is so deeply ingrained in me I slip up all the time. But like fuck it’s so obviously a bad thing to do.
Same, i switched to using “wild” instead
Yeah definitely the biggest difference between here and reddit and it’s incredible. I love having a place where people don’t use “ADHD” as a pejorative adjective (or OCD, autistic, on the spectrum, etc.). This website has honestly been incredible for undoing a few decades of self hate from unintentionally internalizing being a punch line.
I’m also guilty of using similar things like “alcoholic” in that lens, and that’s something I continuously struggle to not parrot. Especially since I’ve dabbled, so it feels like I have a pass, but all it does is increase the stigma for others - since society loves lumping it into the “personal responsibility” category of illness (obesity/binge eating, etc.). For myself (and undoubtedly others), it’s linked to other neurospiciness; so being able to see that as one more symptom of a larger issue and not a Defining Trait ™️ making me a ontologically bad person, means that I can begin to address the underlying issues leading to that, and not write myself off as irredeemable.
The material analysis around neuroscience that this website has led me to, is just one of the many positive things I’ve learned from the pig balls poop tankie website.
I think AA has completely ruined treatment for alcohol use disorder. I mean for god’s sake we call it “alcoholism” because of them which sounds like an ideology
Ideology! Exactly just like the personal choice of drinking to solve one’s woes /s
Fr. The brainworms are deep.
You said much the same as I did but in better wording. Agreed, these PPB radical centrists on hexbear really changed me
Honestly the best center-left forum based on a center-left podcast inspired by Citations Needed

Hexbear got me to stop doing this (at least on purpose I’m sure I screw up every now and then), although now I call a lot of things “wild” and I feel like I overuse that word and should put some effort into expanding my vocabulary.
Did I get the word “wild” from this site? Ive been wondering why I started saying it so much
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7·4 days agoWild if true.
Ive gotten mixed up on that one being speciest, same with people calling cops pigs hogs etc
I swear, at least half of the people I hear using the r-slur are people who don’t consider themselves ableist.
Most people don’t know what words mean, they just use them with the same emotionally charged energy that they have heard them used before. Whether or not the context is the same.
To your point tho, I 100% agree. I’m neurodivergent, but I’m not a fucking Nazi sycophant who pesters women for sex. You can’t go around acknowledging an illness, blaming all your behavior on it, then absolve yourself of being better. The act of ignorance when there is clearly acknowledgment is what makes the person even more evil. It’s not the illness, it’s the opportunistic use of the illness as an excuse to be a shithead.
As an addict this sounds a lot like addiction. My addiction is a disease I didn’t choose and it makes me hurt people but that doesn’t mean not hurting people anymore isn’t completely on me and I’m to blame if it keeps happening
Does lack of empathy count as mental deficiency? I think a lot of the bad people are bad because they’re incapable of empathy which seems like a mental deficiency to me.
I’d look at material reasons as the reason some have an inability to feel solidarity for others. Individualism, competition culture, pathriarcy, racism, imperialism etc. are the ideological structures that uphold capitalism. There are countless ways the superstructure pits people against each other and alienates them from each other. There have been studies on how difficult it is to organize a workplace in the US for example and the reason is speculated to be individualism and competition culture. Not some inherent trait in people who live in the US.
What is an isn’t a pathology should imo be defined as something that would exist in a person regardless of society, the conditions we all live in. A lot of things now framed as “mental deficiency” would probably not exist, at least not as they currently do. Empathy would probably look pretty different. The difference in how different cultures view psychosis is an example of this, in Western culture a mind like this is framed as deficient.
I would also be careful with a word like deficiency in the first place, because it frames a difference as something broken, wrong or abnormal. Framing some as deficient in any way is a logic of capitalism, it translates to an inability to be exploited by the capitalist and therefore as expendable.
Even bad is a loaded word and inevitably moralist so this is a difficult discussion to have. I’d just think about how a lot of the norms and understandings of good or “normal” we have exist purely to uphold capitalism and liberalism. Psychiatry and as a result psychology were historically used to control the deviant Others. They still often are.
This is why I’d be cautious of pathologizing “bad” or “lack of empathy” because this easily turns against for example autistic comrades who show empathy in a different way. Or against minorities who refuse to show normative liberal performative empathy when a ghoul dies.
To summarize my incoherent thoughts, I don’t think we should attempt to explain bad behaviour with the same tools that the ruling class uses to do that, aka by pathologizing them. Because that would be like claiming that some just don’t have empathy as a trait instead of understanding that we live in a society of deep alienation and individualism.
No, I used to say I thought the problem with reactionaries was a lack of empathy, but then the tankiest most based and sweetest comrade I knew told me that I’m just wrong. He said doesn’t have empathy either, but he doesn’t need empathy to know that everyone deserves to be taken care of and to have strong Communist ideals. I apologized for being wrong, and learned an interesting lesson.
It got me thinking, and I realized that accusing fascists of lacking empathy is barking up the wrong tree anyway. “Oh, they don’t care about the victims of their wars because they lack empathy” well then why do they feel sad when they see a stray dog? They’re just racists who consider brown people to be beneath animals. That’s not a lack of empathy, that’s racism.
Being incapable of empathy is indeed a disability, but most people aren’t incapable of empathy, they just shut themselves off from it.
Haha yea the people I don’t like are crazy and that’s why I don’t like them!




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