I heard when you’re rich enough, everyone wants you for your money. I read wealth can literally change your brain too. (Not posting the article because it was basically an ad for one of the most expensive mental hospitals in the world, and I didn’t finish reading it.)

I’m mostly asking this for your judgements and reasoning of how rich our favorite treat-producing celebrities can be before you personally feel they’re no longer good people… I’m not sure what I mean by the word “good.” At some point they’re the CEO of their own empire, right? When does the addiction to being a liberal defending right wing abuse eventually become part of the riches?

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    Skill issue. I could handle infinite money. The exploiting of others required to make that much money is the part that erodes the soul

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    People are talking about what you can comfortably live off or be in luxury with and I think that’s the wrong angle here.

    It becomes detrimental to your health as soon as you become a millionaire, one million. The mindset change is a social one and “I’m a millionaire” is the critical moment for mindset changes.

    This has to be in actual money held I suspect, as people do not consider themselves millionaires via assets held.

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        Yeah and people who bought a house in the UK forty years ago don’t feel like millionaires even if their house value has gone up so much that it puts them over that line in assets. Particularly if they paid like 50k or something ridiculous for it back then

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    It’s really not that high. Like if you have $5 million USD, you can have a yearly income of $200,000 forever. There is nowhere on Earth that this is not a comfortable living. Live in a nice home, buy anything you’d want, go on vacations, etc etc. Let’s even double that if you wanna be generous. After $10 million all your money should be going to others, there’s just no reason anybody needs more than that. If it’s not, and somehow you feel as if you need even more, then yeah the rich person brainworms are in full effect.

  • If I had it just given to me all at once without it having come from working class exploitation, I’d be fine with trillions. I’d use it to make some major changes for life on earth. But what it actually requires to accumulate that amount of money irl is extreme exploitation. And that will corrupt your mind. There isn’t a single billionaire who isn’t profoundly sick to a criminal degree.

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    None because I’d funnel the excess to organizing just like a lot of us already do.

    It’s not just the amount of money a person has, it is their relation to production and how they have interfaced with society at large. A committed communist that wins the lotto doesn’t stop being a communist. But the other person that makes themselves a millionaire is pretty likely to have done so through exploitation, like owning a business, or has inherited it from an even richer family member and was raised in that culture. Bourgeois climber-ism doesn’t just infect the rich, either. “Hustle culture” is basically a farcical emulation of bourgeois ideology, of course it usually just means a person is exploiting themselves for others even more, but it teaches them a psychology of cynical self-interest.

    The person that becomes a billionaire over time through owning businesses is someone that woke up every day and chose power and further enrichment over doing anything else at all. Every day, they choose that power over feeding the children, over housing every person. And they are politically active in their class, ensuring permanent indebtedness of the population, preventing things like sufficient healthcare in order to make their line go up. These are beasts of capital. They are rich through their relations to production, their ruthless self-interest and callousness to everyone else. To liberalism, those rich appear “changed” by the money, not their underlying approach to getting it.

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      It’s not just the amount of money a person has, it is their relation to production and how they have interfaced with society at large.

      this Just commented to make this point, I should have scrolled down further. It’s not about money, it’s about class.

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    Obviously we need to treat this as a serious topic of scientific research. I propose that everyone keeps giving me large amounts of money on a regular schedule, and a careful record of my habits be noted as time progresses.

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    Well… one does not become a millionaire in a vacuum, and I think the context of how you become that rich is important.

    e.g. if you’re a millionaire because you own a company and you’re exploiting all those workers, then you’d HAVE to find a way to justify it yourself or you’d go insane from your own evil actions.

    But if you’re a trillionaire because your ultra rich distant relative who you never knew about left it to you, then you’ve no need to make that kind of internal justification.

    If you’re a treat producing celebrity, this just comes down to what you did and what you supported to get said money. It’s probably impossible to be completely blemish-free.

    As the question stands on its own, I think I could literally have all the money in the world before it became detrimental to MY well being. Because the next thing I would do is use it to fundamentally change society, like get to abolishing capitalism, and/or give it all away.

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    I don’t see a point in more than 10mil for me, but I probably wouldn’t have issues till much further along, I could reasonably hide it

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    You can’t separate money from politics and our current way of life is set up to discourage sharing and encourage hording. However if I ever come into possession of a large sum of money I would invest it into a community, that can help provide people (including myself) with needs like shelter, food, emergency care etc. and provide without discrimination. If I started hoarding wealth and not doing anything useful with it or started prioritizing my buddies over my community, that’s when I consider myself fallen ill and would hope someone helps me or at least stops me from harming anyone if I can’t be saved anymore.

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    It’s not about money, it’s about relation to the means of production. People with a lot of money (usually) make more money from investments, not work. That’s what makes a difference in their class position and class interests.

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    $100,000,000

    With that there’s nothing you can’t reasonably buy, even among luxuries, you can be comfortable for the rest of your life, and your extended family and descendants can be comfortable too even in a capitalist society. There are still people much richer than you so you’re regularly reminded that you’re not some deity, but you’re not really on anyone’s radar either.

    You can still be psychologically warped at this level though (you could probably be significantly warped at $5,000,000), but no healthy person would say: “I need more”, or “there’s something I can’t buy” at this level.

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    it’s not a monetary value, its a lifestyle/cultural phenomenon, anybody could theoretically come into millions through luck, but they wont all instantly develop antisocial behavior if they were raised & behaved with compassion before.