Gotta be right about everything 100% of the time
I don’t even understand what there is to argue about at this point, considering all the signs are there that he’s just another AOC. He’s conceding on plenty of shit before he’s even in office.
From walking back statements to please Zionist critics, helping manufacture consent against Global South countries by calling their leaders dictators while the empire is busy making threats, to deciding to keep rabid Zionist Jessica Tisch on as NYPD commissioner.
Even yesterday he was very comfortable giving his endorsement to Hakeem Jeffries, despite the latter voting for that dumb resolution to condemn socialism.
It’s like people never learn.he’s just another AOC.
no he’s in a different branch of government, at a more local level. He’s more similar to obama but even that comparison isn’t that great as he has a much more limited ability to murder foreign civilians.
He’s more similar to obama
Meanest thing anyone on this site has ever said about Mamdani.
I don’t even understand what there is to argue about at this point
Neither do I, yet posts like this continue to be made.
It’s like people never learn.
Idk it’s too much energy to spend on the mayor of a city.
Americans try not to assume your local news in a small part of your country is of dire relevance to all 8 billion people on Earth challenge (trivial, yet repeatedly failed).
NYC is more populous than several countries and is frequently national or international news for reasons that nobody would care about in the entirety of several US states.
it was news because nyc is huge and there was some party politics controversy, not because anybody is supposed to care about american mayors in general.
it was news because nyc is huge and there was some party politics controversy, not because anybody is supposed to care about american mayors in general.
I know this and I agree. This maybe would have justified a brief moment of attention from the rest of the world. This is an international forum populated mainly by communists, a lot of people don’t care and are tired of hearing about the next social democrat mayor of NYC. I don’t blame people for feeling that way.
New yorkers made up like 25% of amerikkkans online(probably more) so it makes sense why we keep hearing about it even tho its not even the most populous city in the americas
(Probably a fake quote.)
its true in my heart
It’s the only prominent win for the western soft left since Syriza so of course they are excited.
The “SEE!! MAMDANI ISN’T LENIN 2.0!!” posts would hit so much harder if everyone on Hexbear didn’t already have such a measured, low-expectations take on him in the first place smdh
I have no hog and I must dunk.
Yeah. Man the constant failures and disappointments of the democrats have got us pessimistic as shit round here eh?
More like the result of politics since the USSR collapsed
Yeah maybe. Idk I think it was fucked before that too. But it didn’t help.
Um, actually you all loved him and I was the only one who said he would be a disappointment! I was the only one who was right!
Preemptive DISENGAGE to anyone posting receipts to the contrary.
there were several >200 comment struggle session threads on mamdani?
We are literally right now commenting in a thread that implies the only reason people would criticize Mamdani is to feel smug. Clearly, some users have much less low expectations of him if they believe that.
the OP account posts in fakenews so i took the post as bait anyways but that is a fair point to think about
Oh, this is probably Melina, isn’t it?
i will not make a claim one way or another, however judging off of this post in the modlog https://hexbear.net/post/4453830 that was removed for “Hour old account posting meta struggle bait” and this extremely mean looking post https://hexbear.net/post/6843608… they certainly post like melina!
edit: https://hexbear.net/comment/6692847 lmfao how is this person real
“Internet trolls” desperately need new hobbies. Why is making people mad so entertaining to some people?
alienation from society. maladaptive coping. malicious action. hard to say really
zohran befriends donald trump to lure him to new york to coup de grace him during the thanksgiving parade
trump: i could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and get away with it
mamdani: hold my cheap halal cart
My opinion: subtweets about people complaining about Mamdani are much more annoying than the posts they’re vaguely responding to.
If you think someone is wrong, tell them so. Don’t passive-aggressively imply that their only motivation is to be able to be smug in the future.
I have yet to see a post/comment uncritically supporting Mamdani on this site and I am terminally online
Almost no one “uncritically” supports anything. I have seen posts defending Mamdani when he’s criticized for certain choices and I have seen posts with frankly unrealistic views of what Mamdani is (which is, in practice, a social democrat). It’s mostly died down in the last few weeks because people made their arguments and then moved on.
All of that is beside the point, because this post isn’t actually replying to anything. The implication is that the only reason someone would criticize Mamdani on Hexbear is “Gotta be right about everything 100% of the time”. If I’m understanding the tone correctly, I find that to be very uncomradely. It’s particularly grating because it reads as a defense of Mamdani by proxy: instead of addressing any actual argument, it writes off all arguments that criticize him as trite smugness.
I think I understand the nature of your criticism - that you’ve seen people with unrealistic expectations of Mamdani on this website. I won’t deny your experience.
What I think OP’s post is referencing, among other vapid criticisms imo, is this discussion (front page 1hr before this post): Mamdani confirms he does think Trump is a fascist – but says they can work together
In my mind, and being generally aware of the event, Mamdani stood in front of the sitting president and called him a fascist and said that the US was funding the “Israeli” genocide of Palestine. In that context, the title/comments seem trivial and cheap to me.
That is NOT status quo. Would Bernie have done that? AOC? Any democrat? He won’t even be inaugurated for a month and even then he’ll only be a mayor! To me it feels like people are reading turbolib shit-takes on Twitter and
about how he’s gonna save America and then transferring their hate here lmaoHe’s fine, he’s not going to launch us into a communist revolution, but he’s fine. He’ll probably try to lower costs in NYC, he’s been vocally anti-genocide, he’s fine.
Running a “socialist”, anti-Israel, affordabilty campaign is apparently more appealing to the public than a corrupt sex pest, let’s use it.
Mamdani stood in front of the sitting president and called him a fascist
He didn’t. He made a “hmm” noise and Trump cut him off and called himself a fascist. Mamdani was clearly preparing some kind of diplomatic dodge (not making a judgment on that either way).
That is NOT status quo. Would Bernie have done that? AOC? Any democrat?
Sure, they all say things at times. I’m sure Bernie and AOC called Trump a fascist. Bernie also (eventually) said the US was funding the “Israeli” genocide.
He won’t even be inaugurated for a month and even then he’ll only be a mayor!
Agreed.
He’s fine, he’s not going to launch us into a communist revolution, but he’s fine. He’ll probably try to lower costs in NYC, he’s been vocally anti-genocide, he’s fine.
Mostly agreed, but he’s walked things back enough to make me expect him to be neutered in practice.
Running a “socialist”, anti-Israel, affordabilty campaign is apparently more appealing to the public than a corrupt sex pest, let’s use it.
True, and also the lesson actual revolutionary parties like the PSL are taking from this. However, this can backfire if people begin to associate “socialism” with walking back and broken promises. How many Bernies can there be before people assume socialists are useless? That’s the job of actual socialists, to steal this momentum from social democrats falsely claiming the label.
What I think OP’s post is referencing, among other vapid criticisms imo
OP is not referencing anything. OP is stirring up engagement and controversy because OP is an internet troll. Even if OP was referencing that post, I don’t care to go digging through 7 layers of irony and smugness to assume someone else’s argument. If OP had something to say, OP should have said it.
Well said, I don’t think we disagree on enough here to even make a point of it. Thanks for the response.
Well said, I don’t think we disagree on enough here to even make a point of it.
Yes, I think we maybe just have different perceptions of how people on here are talking about Mamdani (we happened to participate in different threads, or notice different discussions probably) and it seems like we might broadly agree on Mamdani himself.
Thanks for the discussion.
I’ve seen too many posts that criticize Mamdani unfairly to the point of smugness like they’re making the point of if you like him for whatever reason you’re stupid and you “fell for it again.”
Maybe you should stop hanging around this thread like you’re at a bar half hour from closing still looking to get laid.
Maybe you should stop hanging around this thread like you’re at a bar half hour from closing still looking to get laid.
lmao, you cannot possibly post a thread like this and then tell me to touch grass.
you’re not nearly as terminally online as you think you are if you missed all of the threads with people arguing about mamdani
I’ve seen people arguing about Mamdani ad nauseum; I have yet to see a post/comment uncritically supporting him.
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the accusation of not being terminally online
ive certainly read comments i would call uncritical support; i cant really think of a post that would qualify, but tbh mamdani has been constantly backpedaling so hard since he won the primary that even the remaining succdem contingent on hb would be embarrassed trying to post them in a positive manner
If he manages a rent freeze and free buses he’ll have exceeded my expectations. If not, I still can’t imagine he’d be worse than Cuomo or Adams. Let’s relitigate after he assumes office in 40 days, assuming the website hasn’t exploded by then lmao
If not, I still can’t imagine he’d be worse than Cuomo or Adams.
cuomo and adams wouldnt hurt the reputation of socialism that is just starting to be rehabilitated in amerikkka (which btw is one of mamdani’s worst faults, calling maduro and castro “dictators” is horrendous and is probably the worst thing you could do during a military buildup targeting them). in b4 “so i should have voted for cuomo or adams!?!?!?” no you should bombard the headquarters of the NYC DSA until they capitulate and overthrow settler majority caucus so that they stop pushing opportunists like aoc and mamdani and more importantly have the ability to control their electeds and keep them from doing dumbass shit like this
AFAIK the reputation of socialism in America is zero and imo it will be much more affected by his actual term in office than by the reactionary comments he makes two months prior about foreign politics (as a mayor).
If he can help some people out, good. If he can’t, okay, we already know electoralism is a dead end. Muslim Socialist Mayor in NYC go brrrrr
If you are ever wrong once on Hexbear you get banned.
I get banned for every post I make
But since i’m sleeping with all the admins, I come back every time
It’s one big polycule and you STILL WON’T INVITE ME
Here you go
A trial?! What am I, an intern?!
Bongling all them flakes, huh? I see name checks out.
I’m still here and I’ve only ever been wrong about stuff. I think it’s more “as long as you have a perfect record one way or the other you’re fine” but I’m probably wrong about that.
You’re wrong.
Mods! MODS!
Aw heck not again
I don’t have a lot of trust/hope in someone who openly supports terrorists
spoiler
Mamdani is an Arsenal fan
Osama was an Arsenal fan
I have no expectations of him, so whatever. He’s not going to use his position to agitate or make enemies or do anything except minor reforms, so he’ll govern like a democrat that doesn’t suck complete ass. NY might get free busses and delay whatever neolib ghoul shit is in the works for a few years. Maybe people will get a better impression of what a socialism is, maybe not.
Inscribed on the tomb of Karl Marx is the quote “The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it”.
What does this quote mean? Many people have tried to predict the way that the world works. This is useless if the predicted outcome is not the outcome that you want. The point of understanding the world is to change the world to be the way that you want. If you cannot change the world, then being correct means nothing. Being correct is immaterial; it exists only in your headspace.
There is no benefit to cynical predictions. Nobody is impressed by cynicism. There is no reward. If anything, people will remember your cynicism and resent you for making them feel bad.
There is no benefit to cynical predictions.
Not cynical, but the benefit to correctly predicting that a strategy will not work is that it enables you to pick different strategies. One day I’m hopeful that a large number of Americans will pursue a strategy other than voting for a social democrat running in the right-wing donkey party.
I think many of the people who criticize Mamdani are not happy to be right. Personally, I’d be glad to be wrong. But this is a socialist website. People have seen Bernie, and AOC, etc. Recognizing a pattern and recognizing the underlying reasons for that pattern doesn’t make them cynics.
If you cannot change the world, then being correct means nothing. Being correct is immaterial; it exists only in your headspace.
I wanted to address this specifically. Being correct is step zero in changing anything. You can’t change the world effectively without interpreting it first. Marx interpreted the world constantly. The point isn’t that there’s no value in understanding the world, it’s that understanding the world should be a basis for changing it.
GOOD comment. Marx wasn’t saying “those ignorant philosophers wasted time analyzing.” He was saying that they wasted their analysis by not following it with change (or, more likely, by not having change be the goal of the entire process of analysis)
How is it cynicism when people are only basing their negative opinions on objectively true, factual things that he has done/said that completely contradict the more radical platform he won his primary on?
How is it cynicism to understand how the government works and/or how the economy is run in NY and point out that based on not only class interests, but actual power structures and laws that exist that he cannot do the majority of what he promised anyway? People’s criticisms are valid because they are based in reality.
Let’s say you’re the meteorologist and you say that it’s going to rain tomorrow. Another meteorologist says that it’s not going to rain tomorrow. Well it does rain tomorrow. Did you bring an umbrella? Will you share your umbrella with comrades? Is there a lecture attached to the umbrella? If it doesn’t rain, will you still hold the umbrella?
Let’s say Mamdani turns out to be a real piece of shit. Is this the outcome that you wanted? Did you prepare for that outcome? What are you doing to change future outcomes?
What if Mamdani isn’t awful but only accomplishes 1 of this promises? Maybe he makes the buses free. What are you doing to change future outcomes?
If you predict that a train wreck is going to happen and then a train wreck happens. It doesn’t really matter if you were right because the bad thing happened still. Did you want a train wreck to happen? The point is to stop a train wreck rather than to just predict the train wreck.
The point of understanding the world is to change the future, not just to predict the future. If you predict the future and it is not the outcome that benefits your materially reality, then you accomplished nothing.
If you predict that a train wreck is going to happen and then a train wreck happens. It doesn’t really matter if you were right because the bad thing happened still. Did you want a train wreck to happen? The point is to stop a train wreck rather than to just predict the train wreck.
If you predicted the trainwreck would happen (with an explanation of why it would, and examples of past trainwrecks) and people disagreed, then it happened, those same people might do well to pay attention next time you predict a train wreck.
What are you doing to change future outcomes?
This is a forum. We are commenting on current events.
I’m saying that you being correct doesn’t matter if you don’t change future outcomes. When you predict the second train wreck, will you have created a mechanism to stop it or are you going to write the draft for another “I told you so”? Are you going to form the “stopping train wrecks” coalition or do you expect other people in the scenario to form it spontaneously? If you are saying that you have to do more than just being right, then you are agreeing with what I wrote in my previous comments.
Going onto a web forum and saying “I told you so” is not a mechanism of changing future outcomes. It is only a mechanism for collecting upbears.
Going onto a web forum and saying “I told you so” is not a mechanism of changing future outcomes. It is only a mechanism for collecting upbears.
Yes, this is a forum where people discuss things and argue about things. The purpose of predicting things and then later reminding people that you did so would be to convince them your analysis has merit and they should look into it. This is not a revolutionary organization that is able to create “a mechanism to stop it”. I’m not sure why you’re telling people that being right online won’t change the world, they know that. Being right online might change the minds of people who read your posts.
I agree with you that “I told you so” alone probably isn’t productive for discussion. But “as I said before, because of XYZ, ABC” absolutely is.
@dead@hexbear.net the person you’ve replied to has left 27 comments on this post alone. Either they get a dopamine boost from the engagement they receive or they’re a troll.
Either they get a dopamine boost from the engagement they receive
Yes, I enjoy interacting with people on this website. Otherwise I probably wouldn’t be doing it.
I think you just enjoy the dopamine boost from getting “upbears”, it’s okay to be wrong sometimes.
A suggestion I would make is you would fair better if you put more of this energy doing things off the web than pointlessly commenting on a shitpost from a person you call a troll. Says a lot more about your character than it does me.
There is no benefit to cynical predictions. Nobody is impressed by cynicism. There is no reward. If anything, people will remember your cynicism and resent you for making them feel bad.
here’s how Bernie can still win
He’s a lot better than any realistic alternative. He is way better than the average yank politician. Even if he succeeded halfways with just one of his policies he will have made a huge material difference for millions of people. He demonstrates how “socialism” is no longer a scary word but something that can be immensely popular.
He can still be absolute dogshit despite all of the above being true, the bar is that low in the post-fascist consensus of late capitalism. I know that he is not the new Lenin. I remain modestly optimist about him being a net giid but I will not be disappointed or surprised once he does what every other social democrat has always done.
Yeah and I agree, he isn’t going to implement socialism. I think the mindless immaterial arguments that are drenched in cynicism is who I was making fun of with this post.
Over the past several months I’ve been trying to enter a state of ambiguity about him such that I can claim victory whether he turns out to be a disappointment or not.
I’m cynical that anything good can ever happen now, but will be pleased if I turn out to be wrong.
In other words, I don’t expect Mamdani to be any more effective than any other Dem, but if I’m wrong, good. Unlikely, but good.
He might improve life in New York City by a matter of degrees, but his reach is surely limited to the borders
He starts aiming for a higher position and he’s gonna end up dead or ghoulified
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the willIn other words, I don’t expect Mamdani to be any more effective than any other Dem, but if I’m wrong, good. Unlikely, but good.
he’s promised more than they have been lately, even at the same rate he’ll achieve more but it depends on what the rest of the city government cooperates on and if he goes full mini-obama or not.
I’ll rather shitpost about Mamdani being the next Mao and long marching to DC than serious analysis since everybody else says my opinions better and more educated lol
The most important struggle of our time.
It’s the Pee-Pee v. Poo-Poo of our generation
is this post perhaps related to the disclaimer i added to this meme 20 minutes earlier? 👀
I liked the disclaimer
