Looks like redditors have discovered that /r/AskSocialists was taken over by the ACP. But then posts criticizing them have been getting deleted in /r/socialism, too, so seems they’re also in there. Since /r/thedeprogram was shut down it doesn’t seem good for the left on reddit, although at least a bunch of people are aware of the issue now.
Dude /r/AskSocialists is hilarious half the posts there are like asking an obvious question “should socialists feed the homeless?” and the post would be of Hinkle organising a food drive or smth
I thought you were talking about the other fascist group that has taken over a bunch of socialist subs (r/EuropeanSocialists for example) for sure.
Lol had no idea about that one. Hopefully more socialists can find spacesike Lemmy away from the corporate-owned social media.
My main interaction (sort of) with ACP is seeing one post “ask an american communist anything” on XHS (spoiler), and hilariously this person was like “yeah I’m a real communist unlike PSL or DSA posers”
Can’t imagine anything more actually communist than initiating sectarianism online and declaring yourself the one true leftist tbf
Wasn’t the communist on the Daily Show recently an ACP member? That might be the closest I’ve gotten to them lol. Or was that CPUSA?
CPUSA
One of the leaders in fact.
Not yet being banned from
. This is a 12th type.I’ve been banned like seven times in five years but I keep going back because I’m a little piggie
oink oink
Revenge for catgirlspls
Who?
The Good subreddit is trueanon
Got called an ACP member there for saying Israel is worse than Russia. Its days are numbered. Either by libs or astroturffing.
called an ACP member there for saying Israel is worse than Russia
What even is the reasoning for this?I think people expect or believe the ACP to fully support Russia (not critically support in its war against western imperialism). Like to even personally love Putin etc.
are they not ableist anymore?
They absolutely are AFAIK, but definitely so are the ACP grifters so I guess TrueAnon is still the lesser evil.
The good subreddit is banned or never existed in the first place, people should stop expecting anything from the CIA website.
What’s ACP stand for?
Someone else said the answer (American Communist Party), but they’re basically trying to literally be nationalist socialists, but you know what that means lol.
What happens if you take class reductionism too far. From what I understand, they don’t care about anyone other than white people, and super nationalist so they don’t care about American imperialism. I’ve also heard the term MAGA communism or NazBols to refer to them.
I, a communist 100% opposed to their vision and analysis, think it’s good to have a better analysis of exactly where they are wrong. Just “class reductionism” doesn’t really cover it, because it’s a very specific sort of limited scope. Sometimes class reductionism is saying that an analysis limits itself to only class (harmful in the long run, but not terrible to work with), but the ACP limits itself to a narrow view of what class means (worse). They look at only direct industrial production as “value creating” and take the hard stance that arises out of that assumption, and they limit “class relations” to “direct industrial production proles” vs “everyone else.” There is no other mode of dialectics relevant in their eyes. They are anti-identity politics (in the bad way, like anti-Losurdo’s inclusive “class” definition) and ultra about the strategies to be used for the chosen class.
I don’t think I’m directly disagreeing with you or anything, but I do think it’s important to name the exact disagreements or else it’s just throwing terms that not everyone understands. I, for example, don’t actually get what exactly you mean with “maga communism” or “nazbol” or “national socialist” in your comment. I’d guess we agree 100% but, you know, clarification for others is helpful, I hope
IMO an even bigger issue with them is that their primary purpose is to attempt to marry Amerikkkan nationalism with communism. In the 21st century, with the benefit of hindsight, this goes beyond bad analysis and into borderline hitlerism.
From what I’ve learned about them (just online shit, idk, not amerikkkan), this seems like it’s not explicitly a goal, but a result of their ‘direct industrial proles’ vs everyone analysis. Because they truly believe that this is the only contradiction that matters, they strategically don’t push back against American nationalism. It’s what anyone would do with that analysis. It’s just that analysis is completely wrong and horrible lol
Because they truly believe that this is the only contradiction that matters, they strategically don’t push back against American nationalism.
IMO that’s a bit too generous, they openly encourage it.
It’s just that analysis is completely wrong and horrible lol
True lol.
Not gonna say you’re wrong because I only see shit online about them, just that everything I’ve seen up to know can be clarified with my analysis. Very open to hearing that they’re also just outright US nationalists, though. Makes em easier to write off
It was briefly mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but not explained in detail. “MAGA Communism” is not a pejorative term for the ACP, it’s an actual strategy/ideology they advocate of courting the MAGA movement and emphasizing “patriotism” (nationalism). The actually describe it as “MAGA Communism”, it isn’t a label applied to them by others.
It’s more or less what you have described, with the addition of explicitly advocating anti-internationalist (and “patriotic” AKA nationalist) and socially conservative positions (among others). If you have the misfortune of having read the things Infrahaz and Hinkle (founders of the party) write, they’re very plainly and proudly nationalists. It goes further than a passive strategic acceptance of nationalism and bigotry. Haz described himself as a “patriotic socialist”. Hinkle described himself as “American PATRIOT, GOD fearing, Pro-FAMILY, Marxist Leninist, Pro-PALESTINE, RUSSIA & CHINA, Anti-DEEP STATE, Anti-IMPERIALIST, Anti-WOKE, Pro-GROWTH, ANTI-MONOPOLY, Pro-GUN, [and] Pro-FOSSIL FUEL”. They align themselves with Dugin and LaRouchites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Communist_Party_(2024)#MAGA_Communism
According to Haz Al-Din, while Trump is anti-communist, by attracting working class and anti-establishment voters and questioning the dogmas of “political correctness” and globalization, he created a movement that can “achieve more left-wing transformations than the left itself”.
This is just a rounding error away from actual hitlerism. This man is the chairman of the party.
Damn, so it’s literally class reductionism in that they have reduced their class to factory workers who use industrial machinery
Fuck, these people are so fucking stupid what the fuck.
On a serious note, these people need to go
“national socialist” is what “Nazi” is short for; the Nazis were, formally, the national socialist German worker’s party. Nazbol is short for National Bolshevik, which was a similar and slightly earlier ultranationalist movement in Germany that from what I understand leaned a bit harder into appropriating left wing ideas.
Maga communism is effectively the same thing for modern America - “socialist” right wingers who lean into MAGA stuff to try to appeal to a reactionary base, which (I suspect and hope) is unlikely to get the same traction as the previous ideologies because said reactionary base just isn’t as big or radicalized as they think.
Take this with a pinch of salt, I am not American or an expert in either history or politics but this is my understanding.
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American Communist Party (they’re not communist)
Aren’t they essentially just a giant fed honey pot?
Wasn’t that CPUSA? Or was it both?
Cpusa was infiltrated by the feds heavily back in the day, have a reputation of tailing dems in elections, but also have a deep and archived history of the american socialist movement and contain many very good people and organizers. Like most american left groups that aren’t ACP or some weird Maoist cult, there are upsides and downsides.
Acp conpared to cpusa is like comparing a retirement home to the Langley CIA headquarters.
True, but it’s a retirement home for German veterans.
Mmm they’re more like SPD Eiserne Front officeworker retirees
So German veterans?
I didn’t realize they were separate organizations
Anus constipated poop
Got 'em!
they’re the american communist party which seems to be national bolsheviks based on their online presence
but for what it’s worth two of the three politically active (meaning actually does things, organizes) people I know IRL are active members (or at least the one’s partner is) so although it’s largely derided as a kkkrackkker project by Hexbear, like, the guy’s a black Haitian, and both of them say they’re doing good work locally feeding people and shit
edit: not going to unblock someone who’s annoyed me to let you argue at me but I’m not “making an argument” I’m pointing out that, at least in my experience, there’s a disconnect with “it’s a white supremacist cracker movement” (online opinion) and the actual opinions of the actual people I know, in person, here in the real world. I’m sorry the opinions of people from marginalized backgrounds don’t matter when they do things you don’t like? the takeaway shouldn’t be “ACP GOOD” anyway, it seems to me more that there’s a disconnect between the national leaders (weird nazbol “patsoc” fucks) and the actual local and regional members, based on the things that this specific person has told me
“it’s a white supremacist cracker movement”
The criticisms of these clowns are more evolved than that. You should read this (and share it with your friends): https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/04/praxis-of-alienation-and-enmity-on-the-american-communist-party/
Excellent article!
It really is yeah, gets into the weeds
I’m sorry the opinions of people from marginalized backgrounds don’t matter when they do things you don’t like?
Don’t use identity as a shield for a nazbol organization, that’s straightforwardly disgusting and you can’t tell me that you aren’t doing that just like you can’t convincingly pretend that you aren’t making an argument. Why even pretend that you aren’t? So you can’t be wrong? That’s consistent with this line, in that both are intellectually dishonest excuses.
Your human shield of a friend is helping to launder the reputation of a virulently reactionary organization. Even if the work that individual does under the ACP is good in the most narrow, proximate sense, they are nonetheless doing PR for a party that seeks to cause immense harm.
Vile reactionary organizations can opportunistically do good things to win people over. Saying they’ve got a black Haitian member feeding homeless people just isn’t a moving argument.
it seems to me more that there’s a disconnect between the national leaders (weird nazbol “patsoc” fucks) and the actual local and regional members, based on the things that this specific person has told me
If that’s the only “critique” that person has, then for all intent and purposes, their party operates exactly the same as the CPUSA, the party they claim to both supplanted and improved upon, which is to say there is an entrenched clique in the party leadership who undemocratically control the party and have zero means of being held accountable or replaced by rank-and-file members.
I levy that it’s a literal personality cult who’s membership is composed of gullible yesmen who’s journey towards becoming a communist from most likely a rabid reactionary position was intercepted by the petite bourgeois radicals, national chauvinistic reactionaries disguised as communists, feds and fascists that makes up their ideological and party leadership. There is zero reason to tolerate any member of their party in any public space they enter.
I levy that it’s a literal personality cult who’s membership is composed of gullible yesmen who’s journey towards becoming a communist from most likely a rabid reactionary position was intercepted by the petite bourgeois radicals, national chauvinistic reactionaries disguised as communists, feds and fascists that makes up their ideological and party leadership. There is zero reason to tolerate any member of their party in any public space they enter.
yeah well I mentioned it because neither of the two people I know who are in this party are like that so idk what to tell you, you don’t need to tell me not to join some nazbol party
Nah they’re fully guilty by association.
Candace Owens, welcome to the #resistance
I don’t know her irl tho
I’ve heard the same thing before, about people on the ground doing good work and generally disconnected from the leadership. I guess I should’ve mentioned that, too.
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