• ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca
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    We need a government with the balls to nationalize this shit, and charge for every single gram that’s being extracted. And do the same with every other natural resource, including oil.

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    Great! Let’s sell this off to multinationals ASAP so we can accelerate pillaging the land without consultation, outsource the jobs and ensure the fewest Canadians benefit from the windfall.

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      Let’s sell this off to multinationals ASAP so we can accelerate pillaging the land without consultation, outsource the jobs and ensure the fewest Canadians benefit from the windfall.

      Ah! Someone who’s familiar with Alberta oil & gas extraction.

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      So extract all the value and give it to rich ppl while leaving everyone else to clean up the mess left behind?

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        This isn’t gold. The value comes from the extraction part. That’s the really expensive and dirty part. It’s like salt in the ocean: insanely abundant but prohibitively expensive to extract.

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        You’re showing your bias. That was Canada’s position well before Carney was on the scene.

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        Weird I don’t remember Carney being PM for the last 50 plus years. Its Canadas MO doesn’t matter who is in charge.

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      It’s funny cause it’s true. Trump wants to invade Greenland and Canada; it’s not just because he’s a piece of shit dictator. He’s after resources for his cronies.

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      Wouldn’t wonder if the US discovers tomorrow that Canada is run by a drug cartel

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      “This ‘syrup’ comprises a clear and present danger to the United States of America. Operation ‘Freedom Fries’ has been authorised!”

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    I know there’s been lots of headlines in the past like OMG there’s not enough lithium! It’s never been true.

    It’s one of the most abundant elements out there, it’s everywhere. It was always more about what reserves we knew about, but when what we knew about wasn’t going to be enough, people go looking, and it’s abundant.

    Also the more uses there are for it, the more profitable it is to extract from these methods and the better we get at it, the cheaper it is to extract, which further opens up even more options.

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      I don’t actually remember any articles that claimed there were lithium shortages in that there isn’t enough on the planet, but rather that China is the only country with a working supply chain.

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      I suppose it’s a bit like diamonds, which are actually really abundant, just not always very accessible.

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      It’s one of the most abundant elements out there

      I mean, it’s not. Either in the crust or the universe - stellar nucleosynthesis skips straight to carbon.

      Your point still stands, though, since abundance is only one of the factors that goes into how easy something is to recover.

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        It’s 31st in the crust, there’s more than Lead.

        Then it’s all over the world in other areas in higher concentrations like in brines (the easiest way for us to get it) or clays, and there’s over 200 billion tons of it in the ocean. Granted the ocean stuff would take some figuring out how to get, but it’s a ridiculous amount.

        Whenever we go looking for it, we keep finding vast reserves of it.

        Such as this just this month: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-5-trillion-lithium-deposit-114805186.html?guccounter=1

        Edit: for the sea water stuff, capturing it as a side product of desalination or a next step in desalination might be a starting way to begin extracting it without massively increasing costs as some of the costs will already be part of desalination, which could help bring desalination costs down via another revenue stream.

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          Wow, that’s a better abundance than I thought - I guess it really concentrates here - although still not that impressive. The major natural source of it and it’s friends beryllium and boron is literally the nature particle accelerators out there in the cosmos, and the collisions they create, for example in our upper atmosphere.

          The rest goes under “things other than abundance”, which I did mention. Bismuth is a cheap element because it concentrates itself in veins and has limited applications, despite being comparably rare to silver. At the other end titanium is more common than all forms of carbon put together but is an absolute PITA to concentrate into metal and then manufacture into products.

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      Lithium is quite rare. Essentially all the lithium that exists was created at the big bang, and since then the total supply has been diminishing with each generation of stars - they fuse lithium into heavier elements.

      There’s less lithium all the time

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    Are you folks interested in some freedom!?

    Asking for your neighbors to the south.

    /s, just in case it wasn’t obvious.

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    And we’ll just keep shipping it out of the country for pennies for other countries to make value added products.

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      You want some of the impacts of making those value added products in your back yard?

      A key reason why Canada ships its oil, lumber, and minerals elsewhere for processing is because there is a human cost to processing these things that moat people don’t want to pay.

      Also, where clean processing is possible it makes processed materials cost-prohibitive when you can just buy the stuff from jurisdictions where health and environmental laws are lax or non-existent and you can process however you like.

      Well, tax the dirty processors and eliminate them from the supply chain, you might suggest! That’s not easier either, see eliminating forced labour from the supply chain as an example.

      I’m not saying nothing should or could be done about Canada’s extraction-only economy, just that it isn’t as easy it may appear at first glance.

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        Well, we’ve figured it on things like canola (crush for oil), peas (fractionation plants), lumber (sawmills) and cattle (packing plants). Those have pretty much been in spite of ourselves, not because, as they’ve flourished when we’ve had trade wars with the US/China (or BSE as the case may be).

        We just need a nice crippling tariff on raw lithium and we’ll invest in making batteries. Maybe an export tariff for anything that heads to the US, and funnel that to startup some competition to CATL. The amount of human labor a LFP plant uses is pretty minimal. It would give us all those high-tech retraining positions I keep hearing about we’re going to get any day now.