Y’all need to join some orgs. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. The reason the black panthers got shut down was because they organized fed people and built a socialist program that led towards liberation. All this fetishizing guns and second amendment stuff is completely missing the point of what made the black panthers and Fred Hampton a threat to Empire.
Obviously you do need the tools and I’m not saying people shouldn’t be able to defend themselves, but we’re running to a specific thing, and we need to funnel people towards organizing. And when we’re organized, then everything else we need to do is possible and attainable. Otherwise, we’re just liberals with guns.
On the other hand, communist orgs in the USA still haven’t gotten serious about forming disciplined armed militias and cadres, and teaching people how to defend themselves and operate with squad tactics.
A communist org in the USA filled with people who don’t have guns is also just a de facto liberal party, existing at the pleasure of the state.
The reason why the black panthers had the political legitimacy to be able to be armed in their communities in a way that made their people feel safe was because they were effective organizers. And one of the major issues that the party ran into was people who are way too excited about guns, thinking that guns are the whole thing.
“no war but the class war!”
nobody is armed
the majority has never touched a firearm before
nobody has read a single text on how to wage war
“what’s coin? why are we talking about currency?”
People are rightly paranoid as fuck about doing that! Anything like that has got to be underground, which is itself a difficult concept given the modern surveillance apparatus.
Ok then let’s just hang up our hats and surrender then. Revolution too scary.
That’s not what I’m saying at all. Revolution requires some preconditions. These aren’t just things that we passively wait for, but neither can you just put the cart before the horse. You can’t have an ‘underground’ without a serious ‘aboveground’ support system. In some contexts, that means a countryside full of sympathetic farmers. In others, it means significant membership in leftist political orgs (worker and student unions, political parties etc).
exactly. the IRA didn’t have much problem getting guns and bomb materials because they had support in the community. If you wanna go blow up a pipeline today because you saw the movie instead of reading the book, you’re probably talking to feds before you buy the first bag of fertilizer
Ok, that makes more sense. I misunderstood and thought you were more advocating the defeatist Liberal argument of ‘we can’t do anything against the state it’s too powerful’
All good comrade. I’m mad as fuck too, but somehow neither of us are out there sliding on ICE yet. I am actually encouraged by the fight people are putting up, and it is a good opportunity to organize towards a popular front.
It’s important to stress the participating part when it comes to organizations, not just joining them.
A whole lot of orgs just ask you for a donation and you get stickers in exchange in your post box every month. Same as being a member of political party, it usually just means my name is written on a piece of paper somewhere, useless. I know this is what you meant and this is not a jab at you, it’s aimed at a potential reader who may think that simply being part of something is enough, you actually have to do something.
I hope we do not see a repeat of the 2020 Summer of Love (I know that’s a chud phrase I’m trying to #TakeItBack) where things build to a fever pitch but ultimately peter out. I do like seeing the libs get radicalized, or at least get woke, in real time.
I think it is super common among people like this to see firearms as some inscrutable beast with its own agency, rather than a tool they can read the instructions for. And they think then the only way to uncover their mysteries is to be initiated into the secret cult of knowledge by some chud NRA instructor or mil/LEO. Or in this case, organized Black Marxists
to come and save them.Point is I wish these wokifying libs knew that they could actually help themselves. And that the success of the Panthers is not rooted in protesting, but the very un-sexy work of community organizing.
What Rebecca would really benefit from, IMO, is someone to tell her that she can teach herself:
- 4 rules of firearm safety
- load & make ready, unload & show clear. dis-/reassemble & maintenance.
- basic marksmanship
- weapon handling, draw/reholster a pistol, using a long gun with the aid of attached sling
- movement, basic drills
- instructional resources for further reading
Now this (well intentioned and consciously self-developing) lib will have taught themselves everything they hoped to learn and they didn’t have to spend a penny with chuds who want them violated or waiting for a cadre to come and teach them to stand on their own two feet.
And once thus empowered, realize that this didn’t actually create a revolutionary movement
and they have to go out and talk to their neighbors 
weapon handling, draw/reholster, using a long arm with a sling
What’s that?
I assume you are asking clarification for the last part? A long arm is simply a long barreled weapon like a rifle or a shotgun, and a sling is attached to it to allow you to carry it hands-free on your body, aid in weapon retention if get jostled while holding it, and can also be utilized as a ‘hasty sling’ by wrapping it around your support arm to aid in aiming.
What Rebecca would really benefit from, IMO, is someone to tell her
So go tell her.
I didn’t take this in a bad way but I wanted to respond, I don’t think this is a “be the change you want to see” situation. The kind of thought process the OP on bsky is going through is something we’re going to see more of and something we saw a lot on 2020. So I meant less that “someone outta go tell her” but rather that when, not if, we encounter this in our own circles we can engage constructively.
unfortunately she has since posted about taking a potentially permanent break from social media
a liberal is figuring out something a lot of us here knew at some point but ALSO had to learn.
This is now a teaching moment for Rebecca on Bsky. Hopefully someone isnt a complete hypocrite and does with her like a LOT of the libs here had done with them in the past, and is taught something beyond complaining.
this website is populated by liberals and a lot of its posters are in need of some fucking inward thought.
This is now a teaching moment for Rebecca on Bsky. Hopefully someone isnt a complete hypocrite and does with her like a LOT of the libs here had done with them in the past, and is taught something beyond complaining.
As Thomas Sankara famously said, “who the fuck is scraeming ‘STOP EXPLAINING’ at my house. show yourself, coward. i will never stop explaining”
People need to have a little bit of grace and remember how they got here from where they were. We’re all libs here /s(hibboleth) but also some folks came here from the mouth of the alt-right pipeline and some people are reformed reactionaries.In 2014 when Mike Brown was killed and BLM initially popped off I was libbed up, in 2020 when George Floyd was murdered I had already developed a radical viewpoint. Rebecca in the OP could easily follow that same arc
A little grace is a good way to put it.
We didn’t all spring forth as the antifa supersoldiers we all like to think we are so yeah, a little grace for those on the cusp there. Being a hardass does nothing but push those potential radicals the wrong way.
We didn’t all spring forth as the antifa supersoldiers
Precisely!
we all like to think we are so yeah,
I’m’a be real with you bro shit keeps getting realer and it’s making my little feetsies get cold
Ah so it begins. I know we think of liberals as spineless, as they rightfully are, but absolutely any person can be radicalized into violence if the right conditions are developing.
The liberal revolutions of the 18th and 19th century are a testament to that.
The question is how can this be developed to create class consciousness so that we have a 1917 instead of a 1848.
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Just signed up for a concealed carry permit class and we’ll be purchasing my gist firearm this weekend. We all need to get ready for what’s coming.
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NRA is loving this…
Another win for a Trump mate.
If you resist or even prepare to resist, you’re just giving the Nazis what they want!!!
I mean it isn’t a win for Trump, really at all, but NRA represents gun manufacturers primarily, so it is a bit of a win for them.
The last capitalist will lobby for the loose gun laws with which (legal counsel has advised me not to continue this joke)
The NRA is the org that does certifications in the US.
Deal with it. It doesn’t matter.
I mean, I personally own a lot of firearms, I do “deal with it”
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Sorry can’t across more rude than I meant
As always: join an org so you can capitalize on this sentiment. Canvass libs to do community defense training. Get speaking spots at events to advertise your community defense training. At your community defense training, train community defense but also propagandize and get them to go to your organization’s pipeline orientation. You will peel off enough people to build your org, increasing your capacity to do these things, including grow the org even more.
Anyone else remember the really performative photo ops of Panthers that showed up in 2020 and then did absolutely nothing, not even issue statements? That was weird, huh?
there are a variety of formations claiming to be continuations of the original BPP, Probably some are just cosplayers.
I think that was a different group from the one in Philadelphia now.
