It’s not as if the US gave them any semblance of a choice in the matter. They need to in order to survive.
Hey, speak for yourself I ain’t quiet about it!!!
Gods, I wish this was the case here in Sweden. Our nazi government is happy to bring us closer.
What?! Sweden was supposed to be the progressive country. You were the chosen ones!
We’re alright in a lot of ways, and incredibly conservative in others.
We have a war on drugs; it’s the one thing all our politicians agree on. We also have some of the highest death from overdoses in Europe. Meanwhile, they’re all in parliament coking it up. See, drugs were measured in the wastewater from parliament, and none of them want to be tested.
Chat Control? It was spawned by the Social Democrats, a lady called Ylva Johansson. You have Sweden to thank for that.
Our current goverment is vowing to double the amount of surveillance cameras by 2030, and our police is expanding their use of Palantir.
Nazis? The Norwegians still are a bit sore about the fact that we let nazi Germany use our railroads to invade them. Fair, I feel.
Speaking of the nazis! We were super into eugenics until around the time Germany lost WWII. Back in 2013 we got rid of the eugenics law that required trans people to be sterilised. Oh yeah, the second largest party in parliament right now, Sverigedemokraterna, were against that.
Sweden was nice because we had a solid welfare bought by the blood shed when the military shot demonstrating workers during the great depression, and the ensuing decades of pro-worker social democratic politics. The modern social democrats are abandoning their roots in favour of sucking up to the bourgeoisie, and as such the entire left block is losing out.
That or a vast portion of Swedes are actual nazis because they keep fucking backing the nazi party.
Sweden also just voted in a law that allows the police to use AI for face recognition in real time…
Source: Artikel The Actual Law Who voted for it and Against it.
The other month, when me and my dog went home from the vet, we took a path we haven’t done in a while. Passed through an area where we used to live some years back, after I fled an abusive family member.
It’s a miljonprojekt, not a massive one though. It is one of the larger ones of the area, and because it’s historically been cheap, that’s where a lot of immigrants have ended up. It’s a nice area though, and some money has been put into improving both the buildings and the surrounding area past few years. It’s also where a fairly large elderly care home is located.
When passing by the nearby church, there was a large fuckoff mobile surveillance tower right on the opposite street. I froze in my tracks, seeing it was incredibly uncomfortable. I’ve lived in the area for well over a decade, and never felt as unsafe as when I saw that.
Thank you to President Donald Trump, without him it would have never happened with this determination nor speed.
You guys can do that? Quiet Quit? That’s…our thing for our own government? Get your own rubbish Europeans!
Normal reaction current US admin policies.
Everyone is maneuvering away from the US and Americans are going to find themselves very alone in the world one day, their only partners being those who are also without allies or friends, just like Donald Trump’s personal life. America, rebuilt in the image on DJT.
This is a shift Europeans are having to make reluctantly
Yes it was reluctantly at first, but I don’t think it is so much anymore.
EU has shown to be better at handling a crisis situation than we ourselves expected, and unity in EU and Europe on the issue, has resulted in way less reluctance as programs are decided upon in unity, like the EU SAFE program that for instance Canada and Japan have joined.
The strong cooperation in EU and Europe in many areas has shown us that we can act with decisiveness in unity when it counts. And when pressured from outside, the EU countries can stand together.More than at any previous time, European policymakers are having a crisis of faith in the American system itself
Abso-fucking-lutely!
The problem is not just Trump, it’s the American population and the Republicans and the American dysfunctional democracy.The two Franco-British-led coalitions of the willing, formed to organize European action in the Ukrainian and Gulf theaters, are cases in point.
Exactly, the success of the European determination to help Ukraine without USA is amazing. 👍 😎
help Ukraine without USA i
Has the USA stopped delivering weapons and stopped doing reconnaissance?
Yep, stopped over a year ago
Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO countries that continue to support Ukraine, and the coalition of the willing.
USA may help with things that cost them nothing, but as it is now, USA is profiteering extra from it’s allies on weapon deliveries to Ukraine.
Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
USA has been zero help since Trump became president, where USA actually has helped Russia more, for instance allowing them full access to Starlink. Which was finally ended earlier this year.Fuck USA!!
Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO
So no, the US still delivers, they just made the EU pay for it.
They made their ‘allies’ pay a 10% surcharge… and then spent the ammunition on a fruitless war with Iran instead. So, no, they are not sending weapons or ammunition any more.
It just highlights the dependency on the US. To frame it as if the EU is fighting without the US gives the opposite impression.
Supporting Ukraine is peanuts compared to Rearm Europe, and none of that goes to the US.
How would you call it? Fighting with or alongside the US? Or is it neither?
Trick question because I think we are fighting for the US.
The usual link:
in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
We are past that opportunity but the EU and Russia could have formed an economic union and could have become that challenger.
Instead China is about to become that challenger. The US cannot isolate China if Russia is delivering all necessary resources. So the US is using the Ukraine war to weaken Russia to change that somehow.
Buying the weapons is not a problem. Buying government bonds was the way of the EU to finance the US
governmentweapons programs. With tariffs that has shifted to direct purchases.So to the EU it looks like we just defend Ukraine. But the big winner is the US because they achieve their long-term goal, which turns the with into a for.
Just a couple of lines below:
Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
So no, even when profiteering extra from it, USA is unreliable.
Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
Do you have a source for that? They have haltet rockets for the Patriot system because there is a shortage. But there is no general stop like in 2025.
Recent news are about increased delivery.
To keep the Ukrainian armed forces supplied for the fight against Russia, NATO allies purchase complex weapons from the US through
- Mai 2026 The US State Department approved a potential $373.6-million sale of Joint Direct Attack Munition-Extended Range tail kits to Ukraine.
https://thedefensepost.com/2026/05/06/us-jdam-er-ukraine/
Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!
I think I could demonstrate that it is correct. There are still deliveries. If that makes me look stupid I have to live with it.
US diverting 20,000 missiles promised for Ukraine to the Middle East
So despite these missiles were already bought and paid for even at a 10% surcharge, Trump and Pentagon decided to not honor the deal.
There may still be deliveries, but USA has once again shown they are not a trustworthy ally, and they are not even a trustworthy supplier.There are no longer delivered support between allies, they only now deliver sold products to their customers.
Before they were paid in mining rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–United_States_Mineral_Resources_Agreement and Germany buying US government bonds.
After the tariffs, they don’t want a trade deficit, so the money is spent directly.
The war is still coordinated from their base in Wiesbaden. (German) https://www.hessenschau.de/politik/nach-trump-ankuendigung-wiesbaden-vorerst-nicht-von-us-truppenabzug-betroffen-v1,kein-truppenabzug-in-wiesbaden-100.html
France providing majority of intelligence for Ukraine
Also US stopped all ait to Ukraine since Trump took office, and even withheld some thst was allocated under Biden
https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine
Then he put tariffs on it so Europe has to pay more
Then US stopped sending even those already paid for
Looks like the US is still fighting much of the war, but the EU is financing it.
In December, Budanov said Kyiv remained critically dependent on Washington for intelligence, including satellite imagery and early warning systems for ballistic missile launches.
A French defence ministry official also declined to comment directly on the president’s claims, but said much of the intelligence France provides is technical in nature.
Despite strained relations between Washington and Kyiv, there has been no indication that the United States has sharply reduced its intelligence support for Ukraine.
Europe finances 100%, but how much is used to buy weapons from the US? 50%?
The 34 countries of the Coalition of the Willing are financing “100 percent” of the resources granted to Kyiv, including financial support, Macron said.
The US hasn’t stopped all weapon delivery.
VP said stopping US aid to Ukraine is their proudest achievement
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/vance-calls-ending-aid-ukraine-070611609.html
They still provide weapons, however I don’t know the terms of the new agreement passed last year.
No they don’t provide weapons. They’re selling weapons to Europe who provide weapons.
That’s like saying the supermarket provides food to the poor instead of the soup kitchen.
Yes, the aid part. But they are still delivering the weapons.
the officials who are would likely better understand the value of Ukrainian territory.
I am sure they do.
Trump or rather the US elite have decided to end the trade deficit. Making the EU buy all these weapons balances all the products that the US needs from Europe.
They still need to beat Russia to isolate China. Having the EU fully committed to the war makes that easier.
Well, I’d rather believe Macron than your speculations. I think it’s pretty clear EU and allies cover all weapons purchases for Ukraine since Trump took office so nearly 2 years now I don’t understand what are you arguing about? It’s pretty clear and well documented
The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity as the communications were not public, said several European countries will be affected, including in the Baltic region and in Scandinavia.
Some of the weapons in question were purchased by European countries under the Foreign Military Sales program, or FMS, but have not yet been delivered, the sources added.
How convenient they stopped weapon deliveries to countries bordering and closest to russia, Trump would never…
rather believe Macron than your speculations
Not mine but a French defence ministry official and the head of Zelensky’s office
I don’t understand what are you arguing about?
That money is just money. The war still depends on US weapon systems.
How convenient they stopped weapon deliveries to countries bordering and closest to russia,
They need rockets right now in the middle east. I wouldn’t judge this as strategic neglect.
The US have to break down Russia to get China. Unless you see the US handing over the lead to China there is no need to worry about their interest in beating Russia. All the uncertainty is just there to put the Europeans in place.
Yes
Has the USA stopped delivering weapons and stopped doing reconnaissance?
Has the USA ever stopped making their money first and then let it look as if they were delivering weapons and helpful goods?
This goes back to America’s eventual involvement in WW2, which occured only after the UK let America raid all its patents and tech. Very mercenary.
As usual, I like the understated tone and visibility of European long term policy. No big announcement, no statement, just small decisions that change the landscape over time. Once you see the full picture, everything is already in place.
Makes sense. You can’t win by announcing anything because Trumps ego is too easily bruised, any deal you do make with him can be null and void a week later and if, at some point, there are adults in the room again, you will be in a better negotiating position.
Never thought about it like that. I think the unanimous voting system could really require policy makers to push things in small increments that can easily be overseen and are often hard to decypher. I’ve always seen as unnecessary rigidity. But I guess it really does have its benefits. Thanks for the change in perspective!
It also gives some boundaries what can be done. Single lunatic voted in can’t do unlimited damage before next election. But it’s not a “hard rule”, even big changes can be made somewhat quickly if there’s sufficient majority behind the change, there just very rarely is. Also, small changes are easier to sell to their peers, so slow and steady changes are kind of built in to the system from the ground up.
Theres been nothing quiet about it
Almost too quietly.
TBH, that’s the best way to deal with the Trump administration. Try to get away as far as possible. Try to get out of those dependences. But do not talk loud about it, because if so, the demented orange will totally attack you.
I was going to say, not so quietly. Everyone everywhere is walking back from the US. The relationship is, at best, a salvage operation.
I agree it hasn’t been entirely quiet, the Greenland affair definitely wasn’t quiet, with many countries stating publicly that they supported Greenland, some of them even sending troops.
Also the Iran war has been criticized by many European leaders as illegal, and USA has at best limited access to airbases controlled by European countries.
Also on trade, when Trump threatened to increase tariffs on EU again, the response from EU was swift, that in that case EU might resort to the Bazooka, a political “weapon” designed to be used against China id necessary, but that could be used against USA too.It has been so clear that Europeans have lost patience with Trump, that Trump has literally raged against it at times.
