After the suspected shooter has been detained, the FBI held a press conference to report on the case and announce the next steps going forward. Spoiler: we, as leftists, are fucked.
Key points:
- The shooter is Tyler Robinson of Utah.
- His friend reported him to the FBI.
- Tyler’s Discord messages have been used as evidence, as provided by his roommate.
Robinson has been reported to be getting increasingly political, and during dinner one day, he spoke about how Kirk was “full of hate”.UPDATE 4: Tyler did not say that.- The casings do not contain any trans references. But they do have anti-fascist rhetoric (bella ciao and “notices bulges OwO” included) and symbols engraved in them.
- Tyler was taken into custody on September 11th, 10 PM local time.
- The investigation is still ongoing.
- One guy cried while speaking.
- Thousands of more leads of potential accomplices are being followed.
- No other arrests are known
- Tyler drove to campus on a car.
- It’s not known if Tyler is mentally ill.
- The charging documents will be filed 3 days from now (September 16), then a preliminary hearing will take place.
(Added by LangleyDominos)
- Patel awkwardly trying to signal the Norse viking larp shit. “Charlie, I’ll see you in Valhalla”
- Utah Governor Cox told everyone to log off and stop consuming rage bait, called social media a cancer, and that everyone should “touch grass” (his actual words).
UPDATES
UPDATE 1: Tyler apparently donated to TRUMP??? WHAT- UPDATE 2: ignore update 1
- UPDATE 3: new link to donations check (POTENTIALLY MISLEADING!!!)
Tyler Robinson’s mugshot
Other sources:
I can only assume all the engravers are shut for the weekend.
so these reactionaries apparently found the social media accounts of lance twiggs and tyler robinson
this apparently include a furaffinity account of tyler robinson
amusing that the kirk fanatics have furry accounts.
so the x account i linked is an reactionary account
it may have some credibility
archived threadreader iteration
the reactionary found the roomate’s reddit account.
there is some media outlet who went to a data mining site and found a right wing family member who is a kirk fanatic that wept during the interview saying lance was transitioning and full of evil that hated christianity
leftists are saying he’s a chud and chuds are saying he’s a leftist, but honestly the elephant in the room nobody is talking about is whiteboy on whiteboy violence 👆
They’re so violent it’s in their culture
White boy summer is so back
is the sun setting on white boy summer, or is the beach opening for a new, more sinister one? 🤔
White Pride before the fall
I was saying today that this dude is a full lib. He’s a lib who sees what’s happening and doesn’t understand why. He knows we should hate fascists and fascism, and probably knows the “last time” fascism was around people did the “right thing” and fought the fascist state, yet no one is doing that. He knows the broad strokes of history but not the material forces of history. “We fought the fascist in WW2! Why isn’t anyone fighting them now!?” He diverged from his conservative upbringing but it provided him a particular set of skills. He had no plan for after the deed, he had no group he was linking up with, just a lib backed into a corner with no support to pull them into actual organizing.Nevermind, he’s a Groyper!
anti-fascist rhetoric (bella ciao and “notices bulges OwO” included
this isn’t antifa. lol.
bella ciao is a nick fuentes thing used to mock antifa (edit: they are trying to co-opt the song to mock leftist. zero chance some random idiot kid in Utah knows what that song is outside of being a groyper edit: the song is on the groyper war playlist #14. LOL )
bulges OwO is mocking furries and - again - a nick fuentes thing
I mean Bella ciao is an antifascist song, I’ve never heard it outside of that context. But I see your point I’m just not plugged in enough to know nick Fuentes use of the phrase
I mean Bella ciao is an antifascist song
it’s trying to be co-opted by groypers to mock the left (i wrote “was” an antifa song, that’s not accurate as all my euro comrades keep informing me)
edit: the song is on the groyper war playlist #14. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0ais7KJXx8Gyd0hsrbakKW
“groyper war” is literally nick fuentes terminology for war on conservatives
Bella ciao is such a cool song with a great history. Depressing if groypers are trying to co opt it now. Thank god I have never run across that in the wild though, I’ve only ever seen it in legitimately antifascist contrxts
Fascists can take Bella ciao from my cold dead hands
I can attest that I’ve heard this song a bunch of times, especially online, in contexts that have nothing to do with Groypers and are genuinely anti-fascist.
i can attest the complete opposite: only heard it through groypers <3
well, i heard it on money heist as well. so my above statement is not completely accurate
this kid was a groyper 100%. watching the Trump conf right now and he’s dodging questions about the kid’s ideology
They will take Bella Ciao from my cold dead hands.
It’s a new far-right GenZ thing, the young gropyers are using it widely as an ironic meme
That’s wild, I’ve hummed bella ciao in public kinda recently. Gonna have to switch to bandiera rossa.
They will take Bella Ciao from my cold dead hands.
I can attest that I’ve heard this song a bunch of times, especially online, in contexts that have nothing to do with Groypers and are genuinely anti-fascist.
i feel like there are a bunch of niche ideologies on the interwebs these days and it is kind of hard to pay attention to all the tendancies on the right
ciao belle user is a nick fluentes fan and has chosen their name which suggests there is some legitimacy to this theory
Humans really messed up when we came up with symbols that could mean the opposite of themselves.
Inflammable means flammable? What a country
was You are being way too online
go to any person in the world and ask them about the song and they will know it’s anti fascist
to be fair, go to any person IRL (i’m usa) and they won’t know shit
you’re correct though. “was” isn’t fair. genZ groypers are “trying” to co-opt it.
I would bet money that anyone I walked up to on the street would have no idea what I’m talking about
in that case
Americans are more cooked than I ever thought bro
Idk how you end up here and have that high of an expectation for Americans.
knowing Bella Ciao is not a high expectation bro
I’d wager if you ask most people under the age of 50, they’ll think it’s from the Netflix series “Money Heist” .at least in Europe.
yes
I don’t even know what song people are talking about, and I don’t think anyone I know would know either…
It’s a song that dates back to Italian partisans fighting to topple the fascist Italian Social Republic. The melody is repeating fragments and a refrain, suspenseful and dramatic. The lyrics are of a partisan preparing for a battle or sabotage, knowing they will likely sacrifice themself for the cause, and addressing their lover (or trusted female comrade) for the last time to tell her their last wishes, broken up by “Bye, my lovely, bye, my lovely, bye, bye, bye”. “O partisan, hold my life… I can feel that death is near… If I should die… Then you must bury me… And plant a flower… Upon my grave… And name that flower ‘Freedom’… That all will see its beauty”.
Bella Ciao is one of the most well-known protest songs around the world. Not knowing it is on the same level as not knowing, idk, Which Side Are You On, or The Battle Hymn Of The Republic. Leftists have been using it continuously for 80 years, and we’re not about to stop. Not to mention that afaik, the casing has “ciao” 4 times instead of 3".
I have been going to protests for decades and have never heard it. I don’t think it’s as widespread as you are assuming.
I’ve seen videos of protests in England that featured it, my Iranian friend showed me student protest footage that had it, and I’ve heard it in person. In this thread you have both an American and a Palestinian who are surprised that you weren’t familiar with an Italian song. That should say something.
bella ciao
was. it got co-opted by groypers to mock the left
Never have encountered this, I believe you but we regularly have it at my irl socialist meetings
the song is on the groyper war playlist #14.
have you got a link on you?
:: le reddit voice :: source???
lolz
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0ais7KJXx8Gyd0hsrbakKW
#14 on the list
ah my bad that is the one i saw on mike on pa
i thought it was a actual playlist named “groyper war playlist #14”
not “groyper war playlist” #14
thanks though
wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a groyper. I just can’t imagine anyone being this lame
taking into account the other two casings, dude either specifically wrote down shit like that to make himself seem like a lib or is genuinely a lib. i just didn’t write down what the other casings said.
you might be right, but counterargument / i don’t read it like that: the gay thing is an edgy homophobic online joke. the catch this fascist is trolling.
i’m putting all my money on it that this is a nick fuentes groyper loser.
this is what the casings said (redirect to BBC). i’ve got no idea what the dude might be but so far he seems like a lib-adjacent internet-brainrotted cornball. something something wait and see
Which means the media will take it as he is a radical leftist who was trying to resurrect Lenin with a blood sacrifice to Baphomet.
If we wanted to resurrect Lenin, I think we’d use a more badass sacrifice than some idiot conservative commentator. Or we’d use someone no one would notice missing. And we wouldn’t perform the sacrifice with a rifle at a public event, we’d set up a proper ritual somewhere. We’ve got a wide range of religious and occult tradition practices among the left, current and former practitioners of both types of ritual practices, surely we have folks who could write a decent ritual for that.
But then, we wouldn’t use a Western style ritual sacrifice to try to resurrect Lenin. That’s a job for Juche Necromancy, anyone who knows anything about The Left knows that!
There were inscriptions on casings found within the rifle, Cox said. The inscription on the fired casing said: “notices, bulges, OWO, what’s this?”
Three unfired casings also had inscriptions, Cox said.
One read, “Hey fascists! Catch!” with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows.
The second said, “Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao.”
The third, “If you read this, you are gay LMAO.”
up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows 
Wait the Helldivers thing was on the “hey fascist catch”? Isn’t Helldivers intended to be ironic like starship troopers? Absolutely nonsensical shit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao
It’s not this?
that’s the song. but again: it’s used by groypers to mock the left. it’s on their groyper war playlist.
there’s zero chance some idiot kid from backwater southern utah knows the real context of that song. it’s way more likely, given everything, he got it from nick fuentes circles
There’s a very reasonable chance he made a quick turn to radlib circles in the past couple years and was exposed to the song.
I hope to be wrong. I guess there are apparently a solid portion (majority?) of helldivers players that miss all the irony so maybe it tracks?
I guess I don’t think it’s worth saying that the song itself means one thing or the other, but it’s new to me that it was appropriated by groyper culture (among others, like you said).
The one that’s still unaccounted for I guess is the “die fascist” or whatever that sounds more liberal than groyper.
idk. i really just don’t see it whatsoever. all of the casings are nick fuentes 4chan neonazi memes.
i mean watching the press conference iwth the FBI they are fucking quiet all of a sudden. watching Trump who wouldn’t shut up about it is suddenly quiet and dodging questions about his ideology. if this kid was a liberal or leftist there’d be lib/leftist influencers getting arrested literally right now as i type this.
come on now…
edit: lol if it was a leftist there’d be some long written 5,000 page manifesto about more bullshit leftist philosophy that only like 0.00001% of the world can even comprehend. lolz
“hey fascist, catch” is a groyper meme?
it is from the hell divers 2 game, there is an omission of the arrows.
Oh I thought they were separate casings
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
no. i see it as trolling
Noted, like I said I’d prefer it to be from the groyper corner but I’m gonna wait for some more info before I commit
You can look at how quickly the right wing politicians have backtracked on the retaliation talk. They wouldn’t do that if this guy wasn’t ideologically one of them.
Definitely keeping my eye on it, it’s just early
There is not a single leftist that I am aware of that uses Helldivers memes, ironically or unironically. I have seen it used to make fun of trying to apply Helldiver logic to other games, but that is about it.
And I say that as someone who is in the top 5% of playtime for it. The problem is that the actual fascists fucking ruined it because you know what they mean when they say stuff like ‘clackers’. For me it’s an immediately boot and block.
I’m coming around to this as the day goes on
I thought people were cooking abit too hard on it myself, but the ‘you’re gay’ and ‘OwO’ inscriptions are what convinced me that it was a groyper.
Irony poisoned leftists don’t call other people gay, they call themselves gay, and the OwO is pretty much only used around here and 4chan (as many of us are 4chan expats), and I doubt a leftist would attempt to implicate furries into whatever stupid shit they are doing. I am literally friends with furries and it comes up maybe once a year, at most, and certainly isn’t the most memorable meme that exists within the community. It’s a right-wing obsession that tracks into all of their discourse.
Everything else was just chaff as far as I was concerned, but now that context has been provided, that 100% tracks.
That said, dust won’t settle until the discord logs are actually released.
Yep I follow the logic too. I want to see just a little more trickle out in the next few days (discord logs would certainly do the trick).
im an irony poisoned leftist and i call people gay all the time
it is the same thing though it has existed long enough that it has been adapted to multiple different ideologies/interpretations
4Chan is in panic mode, they know it’s Nick lmao
The Bella Ciao co-opt meme tipped it off
Since you are our resident Groypologist, is there a reason why a nick fuentes fan would hate charlie kirk? I genuinely don’t know much about this guy except that he’s a nazi who likes to eat boogers
He wants Kirk’s audience and market share after he sensed weakness because of Kirk’s Epstein capitulation
They were currently fighting “THE GROYPER WAR” against Kirk, the playlist of songs for this campaign has a song titled ‘Bella Ciao’
They were currently fighting the “THE GROYPER WAR” against Kirk, the playlist of songs for this campaign has a song titled Bella Ciao
Ok nevermind. What is the most efficient way of evicting this information from my brain?
Absinthe
I am so confused. How the fuck can a Nazi like Fuentes coopt Bella fucking Ciao?
i think it’s supposed to an ironic thing, like “look at how self important these leftists are with their little slogans”
There’s quite a bit of compelling info in this thread. I am definitely not up on groyper cosmology.
They are nihilistic edgelords, imagine the nazi version of a Gonzaloist that got radicalized in 2020 from listening to Chapo and Nick Mullen (but then got introduced to a network of much further left people with really violent ideologies, this part doesn’t really exist IRL).
I enjoy Chapo, but never heard of Nick Mullen and I have no idea what a Gonzaloist is lol.
Terminally online 4chan Nazis do stuff like this all the time. Everything goes as long as you are being “ironic”.
Stupidest_day_in_america_matt_tweet.jog
I think this is the most likely theory, but we probably won’t know for sure until we get the discord chat logs. Interesting that there was so little info given on those so far.
This would be very funny to me. Longtime listener to Knowledge Fight, and alex jones has been buddying up with Fuentes a whole lot recently. Hilarious if it turns out one of Fuentes’ super fans offed alex’s “good friend”. Of course alex will never acknowledge it, or just claim he’s a deep state operative doing a false flag, but still funny
someone needs to make a post explaining this shit so we stop having naive people on this site (seen it elsewhere too tbc) going “it’s just speculation, we don’t know it’s a groyper!!!” yes we do man we arent a fucking court of law there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to show this guy is a groyper nazi
It’s grover.
Get off discord. Delete your discord account. Change your phone number. Do not use discord.
Other points:
- Patel awkwardly trying to signal the Norse viking larp shit. “Charlie, I’ll see you in Valhalla”
- Utah Governor Cox told everyone to log off and stop consuming rage bait, called social media a cancer, and that everyone should “touch grass” (his actual words).
My personal speculation, take with a grain of salt because I have been wrong on some of this:
He will be charged with some level of terrorism. Cox laid the foundation with saying this was an attack on America itself, not just one person. We will hear more about an antifa discord group and there will be more investigation into antifa via RICO (they love the idea of RICO). We could see some more charges of discord users as accomplices. Banning of antifa groups on college campuses so that orgs like TPUSA can move in permanently and without official opposition.Get off discord. Delete your discord account. Change your phone number. Do not use discord.
alternatively, don’t talk about anything important on anything unencrypted
And don’t assume anything online is encrypted (it’s not). Don’t assume people you know irl aren’t cops/feds. Strap up
Um but hexbear said my IP is safe
If you have a phone anywhere on or near you, don’t talk about cool shit
Weirdly enough, it’s not the “voodoo hacking” stuff (as Snowden calls it) that they get you on, but instead just people making mistakes. I don’t think we’ve had a figure in the US that the feds needed anything more than warrants of messages and facial recognition to catch.
Is it possible that the “voodoo hacking” stuff is used to find leads, then the leads are followed up on using over-the-board techniques?
Yep, parallel construction
Although in this case it looks like they didn’t need it
Sometimes, but there’s rarely any reason to use it. Over-the-board stuff is more than enough in most cases.
cause realistically there’s just too much data out there about all of us. datamining is too saturated for law enforcement to use. only real use it has is pushing the right ad.
Don’t count on it though. That’s one big reason why they’re so interested in AI. It may not work that well, but could still be good enough in a lot of cases.
considering how badly AI hallucinates sometimes expect there to be soooooooo many false arrests in the future. the more data it has to work with the bigger the mistakes it can make.
But if they’re falsely arresting “similar” people that’s probably also good enough for their purposes
For reference, 1 datapoint corresponds to around 20% accuracy and the scaling is not linear
Luigi. They 100% got him because of parallel construction and illegal NSA techniques which were brought out to immediately avenge the fallen c-suite.
They also just have cell tower user maps and can find who was at an event specifically
While I 100% agree with this it sounds like in this case it didn’t matter, his friend showed the FBI the messages.
that’s why you also always use self-destructing messages
Don’t talk about anything in chats. They’re pushing LLMs everywhere and, if not already, will be watching your screens.
And if you have conversations in person, it’s best to have it somewhere without phones or a TV, or any other IoT device. Hell, it sounds crazy, but even wifi signals can theoretically listen to you.
Well, I guess that old Soviet joke of “where can you freely express your political opinions? In your own kitchen” isn’t as true anymore…
If you’re a valuable enough target, glass windows and potato chip bags can also listen to you. If I recall correctly, the laser to glass window listening is in current use. The video of potato chip bags was a proof of concept but that was years ago, so is probably available to use by now too.
Although I think that one can go down too deep of a rabbit hole worrying about this stuff, like in the classic 70s movie from Coppola, “The Conversation”.
Crazy, so do they shine a laser at the glass and detect vibrations from speech on the other side?
Exactly! The potato chip bag on the other hand, relies on video to analyze the vibrations on the bag.
discord is a privacy nightmare. dude did ZERO opsec reading. i swear i always do so much shit to cover my tracks up to the point where it’s ridiculous but this dude just decides to not do anything to hide his trail and rawdog a political assassination??? where do i get these people’s confidence
reccomendation for op sec reading?
Extreme Privacy by Michael Bazzell is LOADED with tons of good shit but it’s pretty dense (think Capital levels of info). self-doxxing guides are a great start to learn just how exposed you are online, so i recommend doing that first.
What is security culture: a guide to staying safe and no trace/the threat library
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where do i get these people’s confidence
You didn’t put enough stats into American Exceptionalism; it’s a high like no other
Literally dude could have gotten away with it by just shutting up everywhere.
Utah Governor Cox told everyone to log off and stop consuming rage bait, called social media a cancer, and that everyone should “touch grass” (his actual words).
I mean… Pretty good advice tbh. I’m sick of social media, including HB a lot of the time with how the zone has been flooded with shit and were busy trying to keep tabs on it so we know if we’re safe or not… And the more we see of the gaping void, the more it turns our minds to it.
I’ve been having a better week by spending more time talking with my loved ones, building the positive things we need and want in the world.
Discord is fucked, they will try some stuff with antifa, idk what yet.
Groypers are probably most fucked.
The story will be out of the national consciousness by the end of the month
antifa groups
Okay maybe I’m showing my ass here, who the fuck are the groups marketing themselves as antifa at this point? I haven’t heard that, the abbreviation form, since like 2016. Do we mean anyone that says they’re anti-fascist?
Yeah it’s probably going to be groups that say they’re anti-fascist more than a group with antifa in the title. Plus the FBI will rely on connections through memes and symbols. Some DSA uses the same rose symbol found among some antifa group from 2016? They’re antifa.
One of the things that happened during Trump 1 was to defund and move federal LE away from tracking white supremacist and terrorist groups. That’s another reason why right wing shooters keep popping up. All those spooky bad guys from 2016 in the pacific north west don’t have a bell on their collar anymore. Part of Trump 2 is going to be replacing those groups in fed culture with “leftist” groups. They want antifa to have the same connotations as atomwaffen. They want to do “pepe the frog is a nazi dogwhistle” but for the left.
Oh, god. If the “socialist rose” has ever been used by Western anti-fascists, a bunch of demsocs are so, so, screwed. That symbol’s like, known among the left for being used by folks who call themselves socialists but don’t actually want socialism and think Leninism doesn’t work. I.e, most of the American “left”. You people are fucked. Never been more glad to not be American than I am right now.
Some Wobbly (IWW) branches still have a GDC (general defense committee). If that counts. But because of how autonomous IWW branches can be that doesn’t mean a lot. My local branch had 2 people in their GDC and they didn’t do antifa stuff.
In terms of like groups who are anti fascist and do black block? That’s kind of a thing still but it seems like people nowadays are more comfortable doing protest without masking up. “Antifa” in the public consciousness started to specifically mean shadowy figures in hoodies and masks who throw bricks. I don’t know how often groups do that anymore since it kinda became dangerous to mask up at protests. Made the cops and reactionaries clock you as an open target to harass and/or assault.
Kash Patel: “To my friend Charlie Kirk. Rest now, brother. We have the watch. And I’ll see you at Valhalla”
I just don’t get the mentality. Ok, you decided to assassinate your political opponent. Why write a bunch of cringy internet addict slogans on bullets? Does anyone think it’s cool?
I will die on the hill that says Charlie biting it from a UwU bullet is extremely funny
It’s funny and fitting for this, the dumbest possible timeline. Everybody is so brain poisoned even the bullets are ironic
Broke: brainworms
Woke: neckworms
Is that the one that got him?
uWu, notices your carotid artery * chomp *
It’s not actually about taking out a political opponent. It’s about getting attention and having online friends thinking you’re cool. Yes there are probably some discord memers who think this is extremely epic/based/streets ahead
Trying to copy Luigi but has no original thought
dude was a certified lib. that’s the type of shit they do.
I mean, if the dude who shot Charlie Kirk is a lib then I dunno what a lib is anymore.
Edit: everyone is a liberal except me
libs don’t know what libs are either; that’s their whole shtick.
Adventurist libs still lib lol
Doing years of lead but in the dumbest and most annoying way
Edit: so obviously the planted story about transgender messaging was pure fabrication and the MSM just ran with it cool cool
It’s also possible the feds legit think these are transgender dog whistles, or they were trying to really stretch what being trans means. I wouldnt be surprised by either
thinking back to the thread yesterday about the doj’s extremely “hello fellow children” nicknames for psilocybin
Have you ever thought that the Egyptians were doing the same thing with their pyramids? It was cool back then and it’s cool now!
Because the absurdity makes a greater mockery of Kirk’s death. It changes it from a principled political act to one done for the lulz. And anything that belittles Kirk is ok by me.
Does anyone think it’s cool?
Channers
pigs lie
the shooter has no name, no face, no ideology, no evidence. charlie kirk, in the midst of saying something truly disgusting, was shot in the neck and lots of blood spurted out and he died instantly. that is all that matters. the people saw their own truth in that and no further information could benefit us. the ruling class is going to unprecedented lengths to control people’s thoughts about this because they’re terrified that a revolution is closer than ever. they’re telling us about a suspect to remind us that his life is over, making it about him so it wont be about charlie kirk, making us wonder what he meant by it so we’ll forget what it meant to us. nothing the pigs or the capitalist media say is ever to be trusted, death to every single one of them. charlie kirk was assassinated for being a horrible monster and working to destroy the world. that’s the end of the story.
Definitely proof that god doesn’t exist… A god would made a guy named Mario to be the shooter for the funsies. Reality sucks.
as more info comes out it seems like the shooter was further right and fascistical than charlie kirk
How fucked are we? No more than usual. No matter this guy’s ideological beliefs, it will be “the radical left is destroying the country” as it has been for the last decade. They didn’t “need” this to fuck us any harder.
