Going nude in your backyard in November in Oregon sounds like a standard thing. We got naked bike rides so, yeah, this checks.
Idk, sounds cold. I’d rather do ot in the summer
Miskitos.
Duct tape some citronella candles to your butt. Problem solved!
Lol nine-tailed fox
Can you imagine being a mosquito and encountering a 900,000 you tall naked monster that you used to feed on but now emits a cloud of blinding death from its butt?
You’ve got to watch out for those Lovecraftian universities.
Seattle also allows nudity in public! We also do a big naked bike ride every summer solstice!
i would think it’d be those weeks in july/august where everyone regrets their lack of air conditioning.
I imagine Alaska being red is more about dying from the cold than the law.
Alaska ain’t much about rules. :)
Well apparently they are since you can’t be naked in your backyard!
yeah i’ve come to understand there is “law as on paper” and “law in practice”. In theory, many things are illegal in the country i live, in practice nobody gives a shit.
Classical example: alcohol and minors.
The Finns would like a word with you.
On saunan aika!
or the mosquitoes
Can you watch ultra-violent movies with profanity and scantily clad men and women?
- all green.
People are weird.
Movie ratings are kinda bullshit anyway.
Airport, one of the movies Airplane! spoofs, features an almost explicit scene of a suicide bombing aboard an airliner in flight. A pregnant woman is injured in the explosion, and a plane load of people spend the entire third act in immediate mortal danger. This movie is rated G.
Ice Age, the Disney (somehow not Pixar) movie whose plot boils down to “Three Men And A Baby, Except Animals” is rated PG for “Mild Peril.”
Raiders of the Lost Ark features explicit scenes of people being shot including blood flowing from a bullet hole, and the climax of the film features a shot of three characters’ faces melting. This movie is also PG.
Caddyshack is a comedy movie about wacky characters around a golf course. A couple women get topless, so this movie is rated R.
Raiders of the Lost Ark being PG is a bad (or good depending on your perspective) example, because the sequel (Temple of Doom) was one of the main reasons the PG-13 rating was created.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_film_rating_system#History
My point is, the comedy movie that features nudity and consentual sex acts is considered less acceptable for young people than the movie with graphic violence, murder and body horror.
you’ve gotta keep your comparisons in the same time period when you’re talking about movie ratings/public morals.
Further evidence that the rating system is bullshit.
just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it bullshit
I understand it just fine, but as implemented it’s useless for the purpose its supposed to serve.
This argument really only holds water if the purpose of film and television ratings were to make commentaries on social moral trends.
Unfortunately they have an explicit and expressed purpose that is not that. They are a tool which is intended to inform and guide consumers on the content of a product ahead of purchase so they can make an informed decision. They should be locked to a standard which does not change, or all previous ratings should be reevaluated when the standard is changed. The media does not go away. And all ratings should be directly comparable, regardless of: when they were rated, who the “intended” audiences are, or what genres they belong to.
As a slightly hyperbolic example (pardon the minor straw man), imagine you are a Christo-Facist who, among other things, believes that nudity is a sin and you never want your children exposed to the evils of a bare breast. So you set your TV to only show G or PG movies. Then you find your child watching the 1984 rom-com Splash and boom, tiddies in a fish tank. It is PG because the PG standard allows for brief nudity (https://www.filmratings.com/).
They don’t apply the standards they have. They routinely make decisions based on backlash from Christo-Facist “Parent’s” groups which means that film ratings increasingly do not reflect the overall moralistic stance of the greater society.
Ice Age isn’t a Disney movie; it was animated by Blue Sky Studios and distributed by 20th Century Fox.
And Disney owns 20th Century Fox. Granted they didn’t when the movie was released.
The MPAA has been a rather corrupt organization for a very long time. They don’t even bother following their own standards. They also exercise leverage over film content. Many movies live or die by their rating, so “parent’s” groups often lobby them or find their way onto the various boards to exert their will and censor content.
The one that comes to mind for me there is Army of Darkness. Army of Darkness came out in 1992 and is rated R. Why? Its content is similar to a lot of PG-13 movies, including Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which came out 3 years earlier. Army of Darkness is appropriate for the same audience as Indiana Jones. It’s rated R because it’s a sequel to Evil Dead.
Saving Private Ryan features some pretty realistic scenes of combat wounds. Not 10 minutes in, we get a shot of a man’s guts hanging out of his torso while he’s calling for his mama. That movie came out in 1998 and is rated R. Showgirls came out in 1995, and is rated NC-17 because it’s a skinemax movie. This isn’t an original thought by any means, but…are those backwards? Why are we more comfortable showing children war than sex?
I mean you’re comparing movies that are 22 years apart and for entirely different demographics. It’s to be expected that the criteria changes based on how cultural norms change.
What stands out to me is that they got more strict as time went on and depending on who the target demographic is.
It’s funny that movies intended for kids had much higher standards than movies intended for adults.
I think MPAA/RIAA censorship it peaked in the early 2000’s and since then those agencies have become increasingly irrelevant.
Yes if there was a game that depicted that you can guarantee there would be moral panic from the self-declared religious pearl clutches.
That is a terrible map.
It seems to be quite wrong.
Go on…
I know of at least two states marked as a no where its perfectly legal as long as there is a reasonable expectation that its private (appropriate fencing or shrubbery for example).
Not personal experience, but because a lawyer friend was explaining reasonable expectations of privacy for a completely unrelated context (filming and photography in public).
Sorry, nothing fun.
Oregon - Back yard, front yard, side yard, mailbox, sidewalk, so long as you aren’t being weird about it. 🤣
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“In Oregon, it is not illegal to be naked in public. We do have a public indecency law and a private indecency law, but both of those have a required element," Miller said. “It has to be for the purpose of arousal for it to be illegal. That was not the case in this issue.”
So, dude walking around with his junk hanging out? Not illegal. Dude jacking it in public? Illegal.
for the purpose of arousal
Dude jacking it in public? Illegal.
Why? As long as he is jacking it for himself it should be allowed if the purpose is the deciding element.
shit take. Having unconsenting people participate in your sex act (watching someone masturbate) is assault.
But how do you evaluate if people are unconsenting about an act before the act takes place? That’d be premature evaluation.
Abysmal stupid take. Consent is clearly stated or there’s none.
In Oregon or all over the US?
Would a brown paper bag in front of the private parts make it legal, like alcohol?
Would be a fun defense to try:
“Your honor, you’ve seen the video, nobody is aroused by that…”
thanks :)
thanks :)
Same in Washington.
Is that a typo, did you mean to say “so long as you ARE being weird about it.”? Weird, as in: naked bike ride.
Oh, that’s not weird, that’s just Portland. 🤣
In Kansas you can be butt ass naked on the sidewalk as long as you aren’t making it sexual.
Same in Oregon.
Same in Vermont, so long as it’s not “lewd and lascivious behavior.”
Same in Washington.
Just Seattle.
*buck ass
Good, we’ve nipped that misunderstanding in the butt.
How do you not make it sexual? Cover your nipples and bits?
Behave the same way you would with clothes on. Just do things like tending a garden or talking to neighbors.
Think about it this way: Some guys like their nipples played with and can rub their nipples in public without getting any real attention unless they do it towards kids or something. Why is a bare nipple on a woman automatically sexual just because it is exposed? It isn’t automatically sexual despite a bunch of prudes assuming it is.
I would def think something is off with the guy stimming his nipples.
Yeah, but it wouldn’t be handled by the police anywhere close to a woman who is just topless and not doing anything extra.
I’d argue that the naked human body isn’t inherently sexual in nature.
It would take oh so much conditioning to think like that. You would have to be taught to think like that from the beginning. Society would need one hell of an overhaul.
I’m afraid to stare in the direction of a clothed woman’s boobs, which often causes me to awkwardly U-turn, because I don’t want the bullshit I had to experience before (someone notices, and gives you comments like “go grab her by the pussy” or other disgusting shit). Even with those societal barriers gone, you would basically need intense therapy to not feel wrong seeing naked people.
I’m afraid to stare in the direction of a clothed woman’s boobs
Staring is generally frowned upon regardless of a person being clothed or unclothed, but one is entirely free to look in a certain direction or do what is comfortable without fear - which includes specifically looking at another person briefly. There are plenty of valid reasons to examine another person and lots of them are entirely innocent.
someone notices, and gives you comments like “go grab her by the pussy” or other disgusting shit
I can’t say I’ve ever had that experience, but you don’t have to be uncomfortable if somebody caught you in moment like that.
you would basically need intense therapy to not feel wrong seeing naked people.
People have very little reasons to be nude e.g. in modern American society, but it doesn’t have to be weird or sexual. The laws obviously need to catch up first and foremost, but I feel like there’s nothing wrong with being naked - even if a person has more ahem overt sexual characteristics that others take note of.
The thing about nudity is that people generally gradually get used to it. The differences become less impactful after a certain point. Sure it takes time, and people who have issues with their appearance and body may have greater barriers, but I don’t feel like intense therapy is needed for most.
I will just stare blankly with my thoughts on something else, and get accused of gazing. That’s the thing, I have to go out of my way not to stare at a person, which often means walking awkwardly, sometimes hitting something I was not looking at 🤷♂️
I will pretty much only gaze at a woman if pressured, and I can’t even keep that up. The programming is strong that this is very wrong.
TL;DR: I hate male company as a result, in an ironic twist.
Well if I was with you in public, I’d definitely be supporting you to feel more comfortable in your skin. Regardless of the broader topic of nudity and all that, I hope you can find someone who can help you out in that way or generally hope you can make a breakthrough somehow in this area.
I admit I’ve dealt with this myself and I had the same intense fear growing up due to bullying, but we have to learn to give ourselves a break. I feel like a lot of people forget that we are all mammals - physical beings that are occupying a space. Sometimes we do have sexual desires or interests, but as long as we aren’t intending on making things sexual or awkward - usually it’s all a-okay. If we offend someone else with our gaze or otherwise make them uncomfortable, sometimes the best thing is to just apologize and play it off.
So, the only reason you can come up with against public nudity is that you specifically are unable to control themselves 🤔
I think the dude you’re responding to hasn’t actually been in these situations but has fantasized about it so long that it’s bleeding into his worldview.
It gives incel tbh because those guys are always coming up with hypotheticals about women to get mad at and feel victimized by.
Maybe they are just speaking to their ADHD and living in an oversexualized, yet prude society? I just didn’t read the incel angle.
I’m not saying the person you responded to is an incel, they could just be socially anxious about a specific thing.
What I am saying is that being worried about these hyper specific scenarios where they’re victimized for being perceived as an aggressor to women is an extremely typical incel chain of thought.
It’s a subtle red flag imo
🤔 can I be nude in my house even when not all windows have curtains?
I strongly believe that if you’re looking into my window and see consensual sex acts, it’s your fault not mine.
*privilege
Well, if someone would have to put effort to see you naked, it’s their fault for being stupid. And if they have suspiciously many “accidents”, they should be viable for a SH lawsuit.
I dunno, if they have a suspicious number of accidents in their house, maybe you should stop staring through their window
i dunno. if they lack any effective window coverings i’d say it’s less of an accident, which is i guess what you’d be trying to prove.
Yeah like I can’t help that my windows point to their windows.
It cuts both ways because intent matters.
Don’t stare into people’s houses like a freak but also don’t jerk your shit spread eagle in the front bay window.
What about this same scenario, but most of the non-curtained windows have plants partially obstructing them, and those that don’t would require trespassing to look into?
Who am I kidding, I don’t care. I’m gunna do it anyway.
Goddamn right.
Although, maybe I don’t want the sliding glass doors that all the neighbors can see in included in that. Maybe I should do something about that.
those are my backyard neighbors they knew what they were getting into
Some things aren’t laws becuas they don’t need to be. Don’t give the puritans ideas.
They should all be green. Whether it’s a good idea is a different question.
I do like the fact that it’s authorised in Hawaii but prohibited in Alaska.
Alaska: no, cuz 90% of the year you’ll fucking freeze to death, idiot
…and the other 10% you’ll get eaten alive by mosquitoes.
Yeah, there’s no way I’d bare flesh, not even shorts, during an Alaskan summer. Those mosquitoes are fricken huge.
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I’m in Arkansas and I have a 6-foot-fenced yard, highest my neighborhood will allow. I straight up called the police department and asked them - if someone complains I am nude, in a non-sexual way, what would happen? They laughed and said they wouldn’t even bother issuing a warning. So YMMV :)
do you back onto another row of two story homes?
I guess after thinking about it, I’m okay with nudity even in that situation, because if it’s just nudity alone then that’s whatever, and if it’s inappropriate then it would be inappropriate regardless of whether nudity is legal or not
I was here first but people built around me. One neighbor’s upstairs can see in. I told them when they were building - you’re going to occasionally see dong if you look over here. They laughed, I didn’t.
sounds like I’d rather have you as my neighbour than the loud french people next door who “want more privacy” but then scalped their side of the cedars so they’re basically see through, and shout about their hemorrhoids on phone calls outside lol
Why does the live free or die state always have less liberal laws than its Vermont neighbour?
They chose death 🤷♂️
NH has been a tossup state pretty much since the early 1800s. It’s a state where many preconceptions are wrong.
-grew up there
It’s where a lot of law enforcement retire apparently.
Which means there is a huge swinger community lol
dang, I wish I had a backyard
Do have a source for this information?
A group text.
The best version of peer-reviewed.
The reviewers:
Yep
But Texas is advertised as “you can do all you want” or “it is the land of freedom bro”…
I have family there, and that my be the law, but there is more than a little open land in TX. My grandparents lived in a rural part of texas. Visiting there as a kid, before the internet was anything, it was a wild place. “Wild” being an appropriate word. But anyway. Very unlikely your neighbors would say anything if they caught you naked in thd back yard.
Im pissed im red here in virginia. I wanna walk around naked too
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