Another W for secular society and Womens rights. Stay mad barbarians.
Yeah, forcing an effective ban on Muslim women swimming is a real victory. Wouldn’t want them to think you had respect for them as people or basic human decency, now would you?
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Brother, trying to ban things you don’t like doesn’t work. It just makes the world a worse place to live. This isn’t a win, it’s a loss. You accept people as they are and make the world safer for everyone, not fucking ban a bathing suit because you disagree with a religion.
It’s nothing to do with religion and everything to do with French pool hygiene. Atheist men are typically not allowed to wear baggy shorts for example, the only reason I own a few pairs of jammers.
No, it fucking isn’t. The burkini is made out of the same fabrics as all other swimwear. The amount of fabric doesn’t magically make it a hygiene issue. Stop spouting racist nonsense, my guy.
I hope you’re not stupid enough to actually buy the dumbest excuse in world history to enforce Apartheid against Muslims.
From my very limited understanding, this comes down to the difference in how France treats religion. In the US we have a “freedom of religion” where people are supposed to be allowed to practice whatever religion they want. In France they have a “freedom from religion” where people’s religion are not supposed to br demonstrated or encroach on others. So the mentality becomes you can go to the pool, but you can’t wear that religious garment.
If Iran said they were providing “freedom from Atheism” everyone would realize how incredibly stupid this sounds
Umm so what atheist garmets would they be banning in this case exactly?
Atheism isn’t oppressing and brain washing people.
This, and it doesn’t have any symbols or practices associated with it in the first place, so what would one even ban? Atheism isn’t a religion, it’s the lack thereof.
These laws exist for colonialist purposes so you couldn’t be more wrong.
I could be actually wrong instead of made up wrong.
Have you ever seen “atheist” and “sceptic” community and their talking heads?
That would be pretty stupid, agreed.
Congratulations on creating a secular theocracy, Quebec and France. Really valuable contribution.
Don’t know about Quebec. But the “freedom from religion” French attitude is just being weaponised against Muslims at the moment. That Wauquiez is very close to far right.
In 2019 Quebec passed a law prohibiting public workers who are in positions of authority from wearing religious symbols. The law violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, particularly rights around freedom of religion and expression. But there’s a fancy little mechanism called the “notwithstanding clause” that allows you to pass unconditional laws under some circumstances, which Quebec invoked and allowed the law to pass and withstand court challenges.
I mean, I would like to live in a world without religion. Sounds a whole lot better than our current Christo Fascism.
“I want secularism but I still want overbearing authority figures telling people what to wear” is the silliest version of secularism.
Yeah, I agree with you there. This is a bit of a weird way to go about what they’re trying to do.
I agree that these measures are a bit over the top, but I don’t really get your points.
Which good parts of secularism do you think are missing here?
And “secular theocracy” is an oxymoron. Theocracies require the belief in at least one deity as a supreme ruling authority to guide the state, which is not the case at all here, completely the opposite even. So what makes you think that it’s a “secular theocracy”?
Which good parts of secularism do you think are missing here?
The part where you have enough social liberty that you don’t have government officials telling you how to dress.
And “secular theocracy” is an oxymoron. Theocracies require the belief in at least one deity as a supreme ruling authority to guide the state, which is not the case at all here, completely the opposite even. So what makes you think that it’s a “secular theocracy”?
Putting aside that ‘secular theocracy’ is wordplay making fun of their attempts to secularize in such a way that they take on features of a theocracy, such as dress codes. I don’t agree with your definition of theocracy. You could presumably have a Buddhist theocracy without any sort of belief in a supreme ruling deity.
The part where you have enough social liberty that you don’t have government officials telling you how to dress.
That would be good indeed, but isn’t really an aspect of secularism.
‘secular theocracy’ is wordplay making fun of their attempts to secularize in such a way that they take on features of a theocracy, such as dress codes.
Fair point.
You could presumably have a Buddhist theocracy without any sort of belief in a supreme ruling deity.
I think that wouldn’t make it a theocracy, as it’s more of a philosophy or way of life rather than a belief in a higher being that has a strict set of rules that a state could enforce. But I don’t really know that much about buddhism, so I might be wrong.
That would be good indeed, but isn’t really an aspect of secularism.
I would say it’s an aspect of secularism when done in a sane way.
I think that wouldn’t make it a theocracy, as it’s more of a philosophy or way of life rather than a belief in a higher being that has a strict set of rules that a state could enforce. But I don’t really know that much about buddhism, so I might be wrong.
Well, I would say that ultimately all theocracies are that. In my view there aren’t any deities, so all theocracies which claim to base their legitimacy on a supreme being are, well, wrong. They are really enforcers of cultural norms that just happen to have a belief in a particular deity as one of those norms.
Both men and women are required to cover their hair in pools?
In most public pools yes. Prevents hair from clogging filters. Or that is the official line.
Yeah, you don’t properly shower before a pool in France normaly. You change into your swiming gear, then shower (all gendered areas) with gear on, then pool. The swimming gear is suppose to keep the filth in, so only tight enough gear is allowed. In Sweden for example it is a bit opposite. Get naked, shower (gender separated areas), put on gear, pool. You have showered and washed your hair out, you are good to go.
Until you’ve swum in a public pool that requires full body wash and shower, naked, you don’t realise the difference it makes to the chlorine amount required to keep the pool clean. Denmark has explicit instructions about where to wash, pre-soaped single use sponges that must be used, but hardly any chlorine in the pool water.
Humans are filthy, yo. I’d rather everyone cleans properly before I have share pool water with you.
And even then, I’ve been a competition swimmer and am from Denmark and our training slots were mostly in the evening after public access hours. The pools were filthy as fuck. And that’s with the higher hygiene standards here. People are just filthy animals.
So when kids pee in the pool all the pee stays inside their pants I’m sure…
I guess they have not solved that one.
Mandatory underwater heat camera’s it is.
Seems they don’t want anyone wearing too much clothing in the pool.
The framing of this suggests that this is only against women, men also have swimwear codes in France. It’s crazy
Looks like they have em in the USA too
Come on now, they just wanna see Zohran without his clothes on! Now we can’t blame then for that…
Time to jail this repugnant dress code violator!
We don’t need to go that far. It’s not like he’s wearing a tan suit.
I bet this despicable elitist eats Dijon mustard on a regular basis!
Mandatory speedo?
Correct, shorts are also banned. The same city tried to change that to but got shot down there too.
Since state and religion are separated, public pools cannot make an exception based on religion. France had fairly strict hygienic rules for public swimming pools, which prohibit loose fitting garments.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not
It’s true. Some people wore surf shorts all day and didn’t change. So… That’s the current situation.
