This really lends credence to the “theory” that democrats intentionally run shit ass candidates on purpose to lose. They got a double whammy with this guy being the “progressive left” and claming to be a communist. More ammo for the “extremes are just bad, we should only run liberals to the right of Reagan.”
How fucking low does the bar need to be here? Not having a prominently placed Nazi chest tattoo should be an absurdly low bar to clear. Not in Amerikkka I suppose.
Military, blackwater and nazi tattoos? Thats a big fucking leopard waiting to eat someone’s face if I’ve ever seen one.
But have you considered Kakarot?
The idiot that damn near doomed us all by bringing two zenos together? No I haven’t considered him at all
If we’re doing an authentic working class party, I want to see line cooks running for office. Not whatever this is.
Yeah this is kind of like a cop “union”
Why do we need this particular
nazi“working class guy” to act as a representative? There is no shortage of working class people who either aren’t nazis or at least don’t fuck up so bad that it is hard to prove they are not nazis.Just literally point the media spotlight on another person.
how many vets took mercenary work…
Hardly any. Most vets don’t even have the skills an organization like Blackwater wants.
yeaaaaah, but this one is a nazi, you see. electable. we gotta consider electability.
Why should he have to face the difficult decision of working in retail or food service or at a warehouse? He’s a veteran, for cryin’ out loud!
If you want an authentic working-class party, you need to be willing to accept people who are just too good for low-wage work.
Mamdani says we need free buses:
He is a communist that must be stopped at all costs
Mamdani says free Palestine:
We must stand up against antisemitism
Blackwater merc with totenkompf tattoo over his heart:
Well, it’s complicated you see…
Pretty sure Vigeland and Majority report are all pro Mamdani to be fair.
Dipshits like this better hope the blackwater merc with a nazi tattoo never does get elected to prove that he is in fact a nazi later down the line or else they’ll be eating their own words and find their credentials as a socialist or progressive in tatters. Nobody will ever listen to them again.
Inshallah at this point, the sooner people leave the dead end of Democratic Party entryism, the better
Honestly, he initially sounded interesting but the more I learn about his background the more concerned I am that he is an op. Sometimes you have to purity test your candidate, and the nazi-tattooed, ex-blackwater merc socialist-sounding candidate don’t cut it.
disregard purity testing I wouldn’t want my senator to be a guy this bad at decision making. Like okay, you went to the army, propaganda works. Then you worked for blackwater. Also you got a drunk tattoo in Croatia and then in years upon years never got curious enough to see if what you pointed at to the wall maybe has meaning?
Even if this is unserious sarcasm lets not make jokes excusing people for being actual fascists. Non-fascist drunk decision making does not involve getting the totenkopf tattooed on your chest while in a country with several active fascist organizations after serving as a hired genocidal murderer who helped kill over a million people in Iraq and then Afghanistan. If he wasn’t a fascist he would’ve quit the moment he processed what he was doing in Fallujah.
Non-fascist drunk decision making does not involve getting the totenkopf tattooed on your chest while in a country with several active fascist organizations
Between Croatia being like that and this guy receiving an american education before becoming a marine I’m actually fully willing to believe he just didn’t know at the time. It’s exactly why I’ve put in “and then not bothering to recheck that decision” for years upon years
Exactly, Croatia is a fascist stronghold and the tattoo shop was probably run by an open fascist with a few hakenkreuz on the wall. I’d say its very unlikely that he didn’t know and even if he didn’t, the fact that he didn’t care about all the other stuff kind of tells on him. Plus he went there with his marine invader buddies after they helped america genocide the people of Iraq for 2 years so theres that too.
Yeah but if I’m willing to believe anyones “whoops, actually got a nazi-tattoo” story it’d be drunk US Marine in Croatia. I don’t think this makes him fit for leadership for aforementioned reason but I have to say that tracks entirely
One should be very skeptical for exactly those reasons. US marine who participated in a white-supremacist genocide for 2 years, as in like helping his country murder thousands of brown people and then went to vacation in little nazi germany says his totenkopf tattoo was “just the alcohol bro”? Sus af to say the least.
Hey hey hey, let’s get it right! He’s a Crayola crunching marine, not IED bait Army
I hate all US active and former military goons. Their sad and depressing fates are better then they deserve. Burn in hell.
Some of the most effective and fervent leftist organizers I’ve ever met were former military members. Most of these guys were kids from underprivileged and undereducated communities when they joined the military and has never been introduced to concepts like class consciousness untill after the military used and abused them.
Pretty much every effective militant revolution in history were founded or led by a group of former military members. If we cannot accept that people can and will change their minds when exposed to the truth, then what is the point of leftist organizing in the first place?
Leftist claiming to be revolutionaries who then reject the idea that people can change is oxymoronic and counterrevolutionary. Leftists are converted not created, and we cannot afford to reject the willing, able, and capable. Do they have a debt to society? Yes, but they often know this better than anyone, and will work harder than most to pay it off.
Why do you think saying this “people can change” speech under a post about a USAmerican white supremacist Nazi makes your point more credible.
I don’t disagree with you on a fundamental level, but is this something you really want to have said here?
Ahh yes, because we can’t comment about a specific comment in a thread without vicariously making a comment about the original post? Do you think people lack the required nuance or the reading comprehension that they would make the assumption I’m making a statement supporting white supremacy?
I’m not white, my family isn’t even from a western nation. I swear, this is the one of the worst instances when it comes to people whitesplaining to poc what white supremacy is.
I’m not American and I don’t live in America. The leftist revolution where I live will involve going to war with America and Americans. I’m not against all military members, I am against American military members. I hate America and the American military for what they did to Iraq. I will never have solidarity with the people thatremovedd and pillaged the Iraqi side of my family. I hate all the people who were a part of it and I hope they all burn in hell forever. I don’t care if they “change”, I don’t believe that any Americans living in the imperial core will ever cast away their labor aristocracy to become leftists. Fuck them forever.
I’m not American and I don’t live in America. The leftist revolution where I live will involve going to war with America and Americans. I’m not against all military members, I am against American military members.
Right, but blind nationalist based hate for someone who also disagrees and fights against empiricists after a realization of class consciousness makes no sense. Class solidarity transcends nationalist sentiment.
I don’t care if they “change”, I don’t believe that any Americans living in the imperial core will ever cast away their labor aristocracy to become leftists. Fuck them forever.
Eh, I guess we just ideologically disagree with each other. My family had to immigrate after America ravaged and occupied their land, and I don’t equate all American citizens with the crimes of the nation. But I guess everyone deals with their pain differently.
empiricists
Did you mean imperialists?
Haha, yeah. Combo of Auto correct and English being my second language.
Cool, no problem, thanks for confirming.
I remember someone mentioning once that most US military are from middle class/petit bourgeois backgrounds and this has been the case for a while.
Also if leftist organizations are being headed by former fascist soldiers then this is more of an indictment to those organizations than anything else tbh.
Furthermore its not really about people not being able to change and become less shit in general per se, its just that those guys are as bad on the same level as IDF who genocide Palestinians and/or nazis who genocided the slavs. Like especially for the platner piece of shit. You can’t just proudly wear being a fascist accessory to genocide on your chest, literally in this case.
I specifically remember a Maoist standard English article called “the myth of the soldiertariet” that investigated the data, but I can’t find it now
let me know if you find it, that sounds rad
Check @nondiagetic’s reply! They found it
It’s seared into my brain because it was so funny, but I’m only getting settlers right now. I’ll keep searching
remember someone mentioning once that most US military are from middle class/petit bourgeois backgrounds and this has been the case for a while.
That’s a marketing metric the military likes to brag about… But it’s a bit misleading. They say 60% come from a middle class and 20% from below middle class… However, they consider any household with an income from 38k -86k is middle class, which is a bit of a spread.
Also if leftist organizations are being headed by former fascist soldiers then this is more of an indictment to those organizations than anything else tbh.
I mean that’s just kinda ahistorical? Most of the higher up military in the Soviet Republic also served the Tsar. Was Georgy Zhukov not communist enough for us? What about Hugo Chavez?
Like especially for the platner piece of shit. You can’t just proudly wear being a fascist accessory to genocide on your chest, literally in this case.
My rebuttal and defense was against the general rejection of all military members, not any specific one. Obviously there needs to be context and nuance when evaluating individual character and whether or not someone has turned a new leaf.
I mean that’s just kinda ahistorical?
Zhukov and Chavez proved their worth on the battlefield putting their lives on the line in combat against their former anticommunist masters (who were arguably less genocidal than the usa).
I don’t have much experience with small leftist orgs in the imperial core but I’d think imagine its both good security and basic solidarity with the people america genocides to not have fascist soldiers who have been probably indoctrinated by deed and brainwashing anywhere near positions of leadership in a small leftist org at the stage of struggle that does not require armed combat.
general rejection of all military members
Its an expression of rightful disdain at one of the world’s worst fascist militaries who have never stopped committing genocide from the founding of their settler colony till now. Many people outside of america and its allies hate the us military to hell because the us military is often pointing guns at them, just like how everyone hates cops within the imperial core. They are the west’s occupation force for the third world. For many, the reality is that they are a genocidal force to be fought off.
Zhukov and Chavez proved their worth on the battlefield putting their lives on the line in combat against their former anticommunist masters (who were arguably less genocidal than the usa)
I really don’t know about the Tsar being less genocidal, like the dude got pulled up a river by slaves trudging through hip deep mud with ropes attached to their fucking foreheads. If he had the resources America had the world would be fundamentally worse than it is now purely because the landowner class is more depraved and reactionary than the bourgeoisie
If anything, the Tsar is about as genocidal as the confederacy, which I think most can agree is far worse than the USA at the time.
Zhukov and Chavez proved their worth on the battlefield putting their lives on the line in combat against their former anticommunist masters.
And how would an American soldier have the opportunity to do the same if they were not afforded the same opportunity?
(who were arguably less genocidal than the usa)
I mean not to demean the extent of American war crimes… However, the Russian imperial empire had just committed the Circassian genocide a couple decades before the revolution.
good security and basic solidarity with the people america genocides to not have fascist soldiers who have been probably indoctrinated by deed and brainwashing anywhere near positions of leadership in a small leftist org at the stage of struggle that does not require armed combat.
How do you think opsec is learned in the first place? I’m not saying to befriend an unapologetic rabid SS soldier. I’m saying there are plenty of people who are disenfranchised by the military who go on to train and lead revolutionary forces.
Its an expression of rightful disdain at one of the world’s worst fascist militaries who have never stopped committing genocide from the founding of their settler colony till now.
You can still disdain the military without disdaining former soldiers who learn class consciousness and now also disdain the military.
Many people outside of america and its allies hate the us military to hell because the us military is often pointing guns at them
Yes…I know. My mother had to flee her country because the US installed a puppet dictatorship and she participated in a student uprising in the 80s. My grandfather had to hide in a hole for 2 years to evade US forces who were forcing inscription. We’ve lost communication to the majority of my family because the US continues to occupy half of my homeland.
If there is a revolution in the imperial core, you can guarantee that former US military will be involved. I’d rather there be a successful revolution than hold a grudge based on the choices people were forced into or chose out of ignorance when they were still teenagers.
And how would an American soldier have the opportunity to do the same if they were not afforded the same opportunity?
I can literally cite two (recently) living examples of this: Mike Prysner and Aaron Bushnell.
One gave up a military career entirely after being deployed to Iraq once and dedicates his life to anti-war/ anti-imperialist activism to the point that he literally gatecrashes conventions that host his former commander-in-chief Bush Jr. to call him a mass murdering war criminal right in his face.
The other, was an active US soldier who became disillusioned with the Imperialist war machine after seeing the US help Israel carry out a livestreamed genocide for over a year, so much so that he wrote a manifesto disavowing his military associates and condemning the entire imperialist system and everyone that supports it, and shortly after decided to (regretfully) self-immolate in front of the Israeli embassy.
That in my opinion, should be the standard that all potential revolutionaries in the US military should follow. And DEFINITELY NOT someone like Graham Platner who hasn’t done a smidgen of what the former soldiers I just mentioned have done.
I can literally cite two (recently) living examples of this: Mike Prysner and Aaron Bushnell
I would say these are examples of soldiers we are giving an opportunity to by appreciating their work and sacrifice. We are not dismissing their contributions by rote just because of their former affiliations.
And DEFINITELY NOT someone like Graham Platner who hasn’t done a smidgen of what the former soldiers I just mentioned have done.
Again, nothing I’ve written has been in the defense of Graham Planter. I’m just rebutting the claim that all former US soldiers should be held in absolute disdain.
And how would an American soldier have the opportunity to do the same if they were not afforded the same opportunity?
“Opportunity” is not the same thing as “being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required”. Zhukov and Chavez had to earn a lot of trust with their lives on the line in combat to get to where they were, especially Zhukov.
I mean not to demean the extent of American war crimes… However
A few decades before that the americans had already ethnically cleansed north america. The russian empire was rightfully destroyed by the Bolsheviks while america still persists. Point being that american soldiers as part of a settler colonial ethnosupremacist anti communist military force are heavily indoctrinated to have deeply held reactionary beliefs. You dont have people like that anywhere near leadership of a communist org. Especially small ones that aren’t focused on combat at the moment. Why do you have to have former fascist shock troopers leading a workers organization that is meant to fight for the very working class who the leader has oppressed and marginalized? Why should workers have to rely on their oppressors as the rightful figureheads of their liberation?
I’m saying there are plenty of people who are disenfranchised by the military who go on to train and lead revolutionary forces
How about learning from the people who the us military lost against and/or who have experience fighting them. Veterans can act as trainers but they shouldn’t be let near leadership positions for the same reason you don’t want “former neo nazis” in positions of leadership either.
You can still disdain the military without disdaining former soldiers who learn class consciousness and now also disdain the military.
Yeah but it’s fine not to especially for those who are oppressed by the us military. And for good reason. Look at how the former navyman itt reacted earlier to someone expressing rightful disdain towards the genocidal us military. Not saying he can’t change for the better, he should, it’s just that he’s one of the most politically advanced amongst them.
If there is a revolution in the imperial core, you can guarantee that former US military will be involved.
Yes as the counterrevolutionary fascist paramilitary sent to kill the revolutionaries.
I’d rather there be a successful revolution
Surely a successful revolution would be possible without having “former nazis” in charge.
Opportunity" is not the same thing as “being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required”. Zhukov and Chavez had to earn a lot of trust with their lives on the line in combat to get to where they were, especially Zhukov.
And the first step to do that is by accepting they could be of service to the cause despite their prior affiliation.
Also "“being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required”. Is your conditional, not mine.
How about learning from the people who the us military lost against and/or who have experience fighting them. Veterans can act as trainers but they shouldn’t be let near leadership positions for the same reason you don’t want “former neo nazis” in positions of leadership either.
Well, most of the time revolutions happen locally and the people who beat the US military are located across the globe?
Also trainers are leaders? I don’t know why you are nit picking at the use of leadership, that’s your claim and has nothing to do with my original argument.
Yes as the counterrevolutionary fascist paramilitary sent to kill the revolutionaries
Lol, I’m not saying there won’t be ex military counter revolutionary forces. But what leads you to believe there won’t be ex military revolutionary forces?
Surely a successful revolution would be possible without having “former nazis” in charge.
Can you give me any examples of successful revolutions that are made up of revolutionary fighters completely devoid of any combat experience? You can’t just pick up a rifle with your buds and stand against a trained fire team.
You aren’t being half as hard on me as I am on myself but also fuck you.
You aren’t being half as hard on me as I am on myself
I see the condescension, hostility and the rage-filled pity begging has not left you since you realized that joining the world leader in genocide is wrong.
The whole vet/military shtick of telling everyone you feel so bad about yourself is embarrassing. Grow the fuck up you clearly haven’t.
I’d rather have a million of my Iraqi and Afghani brothers be alive and I hope they haunt you forever.
Just as an aside. Afghans or Afghan can be used as the plural, Afghani is the currency and is often perceived as insulting to a lot of Afghans.
I volunteer with a group that helps provide healthcare for an Afghan refugee community and embarrassingly made this mistake in front of patients.
So would I, asshole
You should apologize profusely or at least say nothing instead of calling this person an asshole.
You’re probably right but I react emotionally when people tell me to kill myself
Edit: especially when I didn’t need any prompting to do so in the first place
Literally no one told you to kill yourself, maybe think about why you took it that way and then log off from this site.
Stick around and help us dismantle the machine
That’s what I’m hopping for
Ill be real with you, big L take
I don’t have to be nice to people who think I’ve done unforgivable wrong and they are sweet innocent niceness
I know what I did was wrong and I nearly killed myself over it
I don’t have to be nice to people who think I’ve done unforgivable wrong and they are sweet innocent niceness
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Just because you know something you did was wrong doesn’t entitle you forgiveness, let alone from those affected.
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Your entire framing for the comment is so wild to the point I don’t know where to start.
Edit: used ableist language during my second point, edited out.
Never said I was entitled to forgiveness. What I said I don’t have to be nice to people who want me to kill myself. Nice ableism btw
Fixed the problem part of my comment.
You also don’t have to go out of your way to actively lash out at them regarding their anger towards those that harmed them and/or their loved ones, just because you were a guilty participant. If it’s bad for your mental, block and move on.
Edit: fixed big grammatical error
It was the other way around, they lashed out at me, and well beyond you did bad and should feel bad, would have been right about that. I get to lash out at people who tell me to kill myself when I very nearly did, and I don’t make any apologies.
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So for clarification, do you mean you are former US military?
Yeah I was a third generation naval officer and at the time I thought I was signing up for any other normal job. I realized what a monster I was when Obama blew up his third hospital for the month and I resigned immediately
Noted, real talk though you should never ever tell dangerous unamerican countries and organizations anything you learned about the navy during your time of service, especially pieces of information that might be confidential. Even if it is out of date, any information is good information for those undemocratic evil foreign actors. So you shouldn’t do it because that would be treason and treason is bad!
Oh it’s better than that I had ts/sci with sap/sto access lol. Just wish I knew how to sell it to someone
Although this is still treason and bad, if you sell such information although this will anger your countrymen they will secretly be very proud! A true american capitalist, nothing is for free in life. This is why you should never ever give away this information for free, the demon CCP, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, the list goes on, the united states has many enemy someones on the hunt for intelligence. Always be vigilant!
Now if only I could get a handler
That second tweet sounds like a bit to make fun of liberals
Poe’s law
Isn’t this the mentality of the majority of Amerikkkan Sucdems? Free college and healthcare, who cares how many poor brown folks are enslaved and killed…Amerikkka first!
If you need money or you’ll starve, and your choices are blackwater merc or rob a gas station, you should rob a gas station because you have the choice to not kill people and you’ll hurt fewer people.
Working-will-set-you-free class partyWhy won’t anyone think of the poor veterans who had to take mercenary work killing brown people after they were done killing brown people for the government
Do we want an authentic working-class party or not?
Yes, and we absolutely need patriots like Platner who are willing to fight for their country, we could call it national socialists to reflect this
