I think that when people (hopefully all of us on this website) work to eliminate ableist language from their vocabulary, they end up with many fewer words to describe certain patterns/behaviors negatively.

Put your favorite non-ableist insult/descriptor in the comments!

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    Whatever accurately describes the target. I use “Evil” a lot.

    Not kidding here. Bush wasn’t stupid, he was evil. Cheney wasn’t stupid, he was evil. I can prove that they were evil because they did things that anyone with a basic understanding of the concepts “cause and effect” (so, everyone over the age of 2) could tell were going to murder civilians. They decided that was totally fine, because they don’t care about people’s lives.

    It’s an insult but it also cuts beneath the mask and hits upon the truth, much like Maoist Standard English.

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      It’s an insult but it also cuts beneath the mask and hits upon the truth, much like Maoist Standard English.

      Stay tuned for the upcoming hit CommunistCuddlefish academic paper Maoist Standard English is Not A Metaphor.

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    I think a big issue that this board is historically resistant to is that it’s not just a matter of a list of words that are allowed and disallowed (though many words should be disallowed, I’m not challenging that), but also the meaning and context of what you’re saying. I expect that this is an uncontentious example: the word freak. You can very easily use this term in a non-ableist way to describe someone with, for example, a bizarre and extreme ideology, like the paramilitary gangs in Israel who make a hobby of murder and destruction. Freak can also be used in an extremely ableist way, which we are all probably familiar with.

    Just focusing on a word and not a broader sentiment in my example is probably sub-optimal, but I think you understand what I’m getting at and I don’t want to spend five paragraphs on it when this comment is already long-winded.

    Contentious example: debate pervert and its associated concepts. It absolutely has valid, non-ableist uses, the example that I always give is the use of “gotchas” and other invalid rhetorical tactics. There are other uses too, of course. There are uses, however, where you’re basically saying that you don’t find some given detail about your claims important, so someone who thinks it is significantly incorrect must be wrong headed with no further investigation and even worthy of being compared to horrible fascists like Shapiro. You can imagine how this is a hostile dynamic to people who have ASD (and frankly also allistic people who just care about something that you don’t), and I’ve seen autistic users complain about this dynamic for a long time to no avail.

    You don’t need to discuss something endlessly or treat any claim about any detail as a critical matter, but if you can’t be arsed to humor someone’s concern (or give up after attempting to), just ignore it or shrug or let others respond rather than sidestep the issue by insinuating extremely shitty things about the person.

    I’m a really annoying guy who gets into endless arguments, I’m not really trying to paper over that, but I only get into endless arguments with people who also argue endlessly. You know what I do when I’m sick of talking with someone about something? I just mark the reply as “read” after probably not even reading it. If you fuckers are so above “debate pervertry” then surely you can do the same, or say “disengage” or whatever instead of make shitty insinuations about them.

    While I’m at it, a lot of “nerd” discourse is ableist for the same reason, though of course I don’t think we should ban the word. We should probably get rid of nerd though, for reasons that should be obvious after 5 seconds of thought about the basis of the caricature.

    Sorry about talking more about the inverse of your question. I do think it is helpful though for answering the question because the question should fundamentally be if what you are saying is conceptually ableist, rather than being defined purely by vocabulary.

    Edit: I like silly, ridiculous, and nonsense by the way

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    credulous, rube, buffoon, lib, debate-pervert, blood-mouth, corpse-eater, bootlicker, settler, cop, settler-brained, fact-resistant, in german there is “denkfaul”, someone who is too lazy to think. It’s precisely avoiding calling someone too stupid to understand something, but instead asserts that they do have the capacity to understand something but that they’re choosing not to, by deliberately not thinking about it. I don’t know of a good english word for it though.

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      It’s precisely avoiding calling someone too stupid to understand something, but instead asserts that they do have the capacity to understand something but that they’re choosing not to, by deliberately not thinking about it. I don’t know of a good english word for it though.

      Willful ignorance would be what I would use to describe that in English.

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        “Willful ignorance” doesn’t have the same sting though. At least to me, because sometimes ignorance is bliss and I choose to stay ignorant on a topic, like e.g. the details of a massacre, to not spiral into doom and gloom.

        Calling someone lazy though, in this protestant brained western world, is pretty offensive.

        Like some lib going: “wow you tankies are abolutely incoherent” would be a prime target along the lines of “you haven’t enganged with anything I said but instead dismiss it all as ‘incoherent’ because you’re denkfaul”.

    • Side track comment about language difference

      The language difference is so interesting, because the word “stupid” for example would be translated as “tyhmä” in Finnish, but the Finnish word doesn’t carry a similar ableist meaning and isn’t in any way tied to psych jargon for example. The root of the word has ties to words that can be seen ableist however, like “dumm”.

      But the word itself could be meaning-translated as “unaware”/“unknowledgeable” and that would probably be the closest to its meaning today.


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    don’t attribute to stupidity what can be equally explained by malice.

    politicians/journalists don’t get benefit of the doubt, they are evil people pursuing evil aims of their empire.

    but i use unwise/distracting/inconsiderate in case i can’t imagine other explanation

    (also when i inquired similarly i got shitbird/muppet/dipshit, which don’t pertain to the state of mental faculties, but feel nice to say)

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    Here are some of my “safe” ones:

    • Dipshit (non-political)

    • Spoiled brat/brat: (I need some go-to for “mean person” that has more punch so it can’t be easily laughed off. Asshole/Douchebag are borderline compliments to the average person.)

    • Cracker

    • Pig/pigman: not necessarily for just capitalists, but for the average American. Smug, stupid, ill-mannered and proud of all of it. People like Eric Cartman.

    • “This is Disney Adult shit”. This is highly situational. You know contexts like the whole Frieren demons and how twitter normies were jacking themselves off “finally, enough of this woke shit! Genocide the bad guys, so wholesome!” You call this ‘Disney Adult shit’. All the people they think are icky go away, and being icky is seen as the most heinous crime of all.

    If you want some more Hexbear-culture names, I love “treathog”. But it’s less punchy and more comedic.

  • StillNoLeftLeft [none/use name, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    I tend to use words like: Wild, unserious, terrible etc.

    And I try to work around the sentiment in a more accurate way, because when I find myself seeing or reacting to something as [insert bad word], for me that’s the biggest problem. Replacing a word but keeping the sentiment doesn’t yet fix the issue, the sentiment needs to be changed.

    So for example when someone does something outrageous and disgusting, I frame it just as that. I don’t need to add adjectives that Other people at all.

    And I’m not perfect at this, nobody probably is. But trying to be aware of it already helps so much.

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    I use wild a lot, and silly, outrageous, incredible (with the right tone), ridiculous, disgusting, awful, gross, fucked up