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    Don’t just say “White House Official.” It was Stephen Miller. You know, the most racist and probably most dangerous person that is under Trump.

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      Stephen Miller

      Also the person who doesn’t have Secret Service protection like Trump does, which I mention for no reason in particular.

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        Well, after protesters wrote mean notes in chalk on the sidewalk in front of his house earlier in ‘25, he did freak out and move his entire family into a military base. So, there’s that to contend with.

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          Queer teens regularly get yelled at by bigot mobs and brush it off; Stephen Miller sees two insults and a statistic written in front of his house, and immediately jumps ship. So much for the “Tough Guy” shtick.

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          Him moving to a military base actually made me a lot more worried about their future plans than most of the rest of their policies have.

          It looks a lot like something someone who wants to start a civil war would do.

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        Trump said the second amendment people would take care of things. Member that?

        Of course stochastic terrorists, mafias, and corrupt or unethical armed services members aren’t really on my holiday card list either.

        I think the best we might get is Elmo Musk driving over his toes after a spat over Ms Miller’s lovechild. Which, and let us be clear - we would accept.

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    Hey, Americans, this is what happens when you stay silent.

    Go burn down the city hall or something. Stop posting. Start doing.

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      But at least they saved Palestine. They did save Palestine, didn’t they…?

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          And her unrealized gains tax over a Million would have destroyed the US Economy! We did save the economy, right? /s

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          Just because Trump is crazy that doesn’t make genocide support by not Trump okay suddenly. Get over it

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              There’s no hope for Americans

              But neither is there for Europeans. We knew that the chemical weapons in Iraq were fake and we knew that there was no UN mandate for Syria and the one for Libya was stretched. We have known about Venezuela since the aircraft carrier was sent at the end of October. Now Greenland is closer to home, and we know about the social networks and the groomed politicians. What are we going to do to make a difference?

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              Said by someone that’s not in their position. It’s like, “those shitty slaves in North Korea are not doing enough.” Yeah, we can’t outfight the military people.

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                That’s literally what has happened in like every regime before change. Standing up to the power in place.

                I’m happy I don’t have to do that, but you must if you want change.

                You can also start small with a national strike.

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                we can’t outfight the military people

                I thought that was the whole idea with having guns, so you wouldn’t get oppressed by the government. So, now there is no reason for everyone to have guns?

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            So, your projection is that Harris would have done the same as the Trump admin? Like a “Harris Tower Hotel” in Gaza City, with the involvement of Harris’s family members in the deal?

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              Harris would not have stopped the genocide. There’s no genocide light. It’s either you’re complicit in genocide or not. Trump is objectively a horrible person and I would have never voted for him but that doesn’t make Harris not a genocide supporter.

              I thought we were past this blue MAGA bullshit.

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                So… just to confirm:

                At best, Harris would have been no better for the people of Palestine than trump. And trump is demonstrably worse for basically the entire rest of the world (pretty sure Harris wouldn’t be threatening war on Denmark/the EU, for example).

                So… your lack of a vote (which is effectively a vote for trump when you math it out) did absolutely nothing for the people you claim to care about while actively hurting everyone else.

                Good job owning the libs, I guess?

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                  I‘m not American so I can’t vote for either of them, nor have I ever been to the US. But I have family in places where we had the pleasure of dealing with Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden, and frankly, neither of them has done us any good to say it very mildly.

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                  People have different values, and they approach voting differently. You vote based on utilitarian ethics, but there are other moral philosophies. And ultimately utilitarianism is a deeply flawed ethical system.

                  Learn to be a good citizen in a pluralistic democracy. Your way is not the only way. Learn some humility.

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                Even the Biden administration was putting pressure on Israel to stop. They should have forced them, but they didn’t. There was at least a disapproval of their actions.

                Trump basically gave them the green light and said do it faster please.

                Neither good, but one approach was better

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          No American was going to save the Palestinians. They have the wrong skin colour and religion to be considered human by American standards.

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      They won’t. At least, not in significant enough numbers to matter. It’s easy to type that, but quite another thing if it’s your life and livelihood on the line.

      Historically, revolutions don’t happen without someone pretty organised and powerful to arrange them, like the Jacobins. And even then they usually fail.

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          Yeah and that “nothing happened” was because the fucking President organized it and pardoned everyone. Once again, the already powerful tend to prop up revolutions. None of the powerful here will benefit from us having a revolution unless it didnt actually change anything. No one is coming to end this. Americans better band together and figure out what they can do with some string and a pack of matches.

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          It was on behalf of the President and his party, and it was never anywhere close to seriously threatening government power. A few individual politicians, maybe.

          I guess, what’s your point?

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      Go burn down the city hall or something.

      Yeah, smart. Burn down a city hall to stop the federal government. Makes total sense.

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        Nothing will ever make sense to fascism enablers.

        You do you. Just keep that blaming game on point. That’s all you’ve ever known.

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          It just seems like you have no idea how the US government functions so maybe take a step back. The country is larger than your entire continent, burning down any city hall would barely even make news in DC

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            And if it did it would just get the national guard deployed in your city. And the city government wouldn’t be able to do anything to help, because their office burnt down…

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      My City hall turned Blue in November 2025, coming for the House Rep next. Burn the red ones, every single Republican in federal voted to hide the Epstein Files at least once.

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          The rest of the world also did relatively great as well, especially towards the end of that time frame after colonialism and then the Cold War. You see lots of footage from Vietnam and Afghanistan, but only because “everything fine in Namibia” isn’t a headline.

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            How are we defining rest of the world here because China, India and Africa make up nearly 50% of the human population and things were really not great, especially for the first 40 to 50 years after WW2.

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              Namibia would be an Africa example, although the decolonisation period was probably as rocky as anywhere. India did alright after the same.

              China had Mao problems, of course, but then Deng on and the rapid ascent to global power is also in the period considered.

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          People really think this is the first time this is happening and how it wasn’t way way worse just some decades ago

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      we’ve been in it since ww1. every “downtime” space between subsequent had simply been “cold war” and capitalism prepping for the next phase.

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            That was a definite contributing factor, but obviously there was more to Nazism than that, or Neville Chamberlain would have been right. And Italy didn’t lose WWI or even stay on the same side through it. Edit: And Japan wasn’t there.

            One side combined Communists and the traditional colonial empires Marx wrote about. The other was upstart Fascists blending capitalism with a kind of feudal logic.

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    Gee, I thought we lived in a world governed by laws because we realized the whole “might makes right” thing ends up being an unmitigated disaster at the end of the day.

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    You’d think they’d know how surprising nations can unite when risks are in the air. Notable examples:

    • Nazi Germany allied with Soviet Union 1939-1941
    • Allied forces allied with Soviet Union 1941-1945

    If USA annexes Greenland, EU allying with China stops being an absurd idea.

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        Not only were they allied, historical notes suggest that Stalin was obviously deeply hurt by the eventual backstab from Hitler. He thought they were best buds.

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          He thought they were two genocidal peas in a pod. Who would have thought that you can’t trust an unhinged maniac? Put two of them together, and no wonder it didn’t work out well.

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            In World War 2 before 22 June 1941, when Nazi Germany launched Operation Barbarossa.

            Perhaps most notably in the annexation of Poland, and in a more distant way in Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Bessarabia, Lithuania.

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            i’m well aware.

            Clearly, not.

            where’s the alliance in it?

            Their shared objective in 1939 was to carve up and annex Europe between them. That one party to the alliance unilaterally terminated the alliance does not mean that the alliance never existed.

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    Because we live in a world governed by strength, by power.

    Oh ok then so why did they get so buttered about 9/11? It was only another group of people exercising their power and their strength.

    Not saying that terrorists should be accepted but simply that the provided justification makes no goddamn sense. But then again it is a White House official statement so why would it.

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      The problem with sense is that it is not an a priori natural constant, but created on the fly. Stephen Miller’s justification for taking Greenland is more an acknowledgment and announcement that they left the set of values that the countries of hate world (officially) agreed upon with the founding of the UN. It does make sense in the context of his set of values, and I hope he’ll end up experiencing the consequences of his believes when the roles are reversed. Without the world having to go to war to reign the US in.

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        They will most likely apply the actual military AI they have, that’s when AM will utterly fuck us all, and not in a good way.

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          I’m not sure how much military AI figures into this. Arctic conditions are famously unforgiving of electronics.

          Batteries tend to die, and components tend to freeze. The US military hasn’t really built their infrastructure to deal with extremely cold weather, they were confident that the next major conflict would occur in a nice warm desert in the middle East or maybe China at a stretch.

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      “Buttered”? What’s that mean?

      “9/11”? That false flag operation to trigger the excusing of the PNAC plan to invade 7 countries in 5 years keeping the people terrorised into an unquestioning totalitarian group think as the first phase of weapons of mass distraction to consolidate power even further? That 9/11?

      “another group”?! Same group.

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    Russia thought the same about their military, before finding out that even Ukraine could fight their military

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    The Viet Cong managed to do it. As did the Taliban. The Ukrainians are doing it to the Russians as we speak. There are plenty of asymmetrical tactics that would stop the US in their tracks. Hell, a few weeks ago, the DOD released a video about how the US military managed to drop a grenade from a drone. There are significant weaknesses in all that American might.

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      The US military is unrivaled in its ability to effectively defeat an enemy military. It’s proven pretty shitty at dealing with insurgencies and guerilla tactics.

      Fighting against the US military with a tank or jet is a losing proposition. But randos with small arms and improvised explosives have performed pretty well.

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        The US military is unrivaled in its ability to effectively defeat an enemy military.

        Except in Vietnam. And Iraq. And Afghanistan.

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          Vietnam was a long time ago, Afghanistan didn’t really have a traditional military, and the Iraq military was absolutely curb-stomped by the Americans.

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              I made a comment that’s entire point is that the US is bad at occupations because it can’t deal with insurgencies. You countered with examples of it being defeated by insurgencies. I pointed out that those examples were insurgencies, and now you’re acting like it’s some kind of sudden twist in my argument that I think they’re bad against insurgencies.

              I don’t understand what you’re trying to argue. Are you just not capable of agreeing with someone without being a dick about it?

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      Guerilla Warfare and Terrorism have been extremely useful tactics against large forces. The main reason America exists at all is because of Guerilla Warfare by American Militias against the mighty British Army, the most powerful military on the planet at the time.

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        Only if the oil fields haven’t yet been tapped. If it’s deep underground then there’s very little that can affect them.

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          Nah, we can nuke the entire surface clean and not disturb much under the soil. You realize they can easily detonate in air, right? Like, we have bunker busters sure but thats not the only way a bomb can explode.

          I’ll even add we have completely radiation free nukes at this point. Clean the surface and then move in weeks later. Guess they are nnot nukes but some other classification but nonetheless no rads and magnituds larger than Hiroshima.

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            You’re thinking of fusion bombs. They’re absolutely not zero radiation they just don’t release as much as you would expect given these size of the explosion. But they absolutely do release radiation.

            Much of the destruction from fusion bombs comes from the implosion rather than the explosion. Not that the initial explosion isn’t highly also destructive. In an airbus situation it basically picks things off the ground and flings them into the air that several times the speed of sound. Any oil rig that is already in place is going to get violently ripped out of the ground along with a lot of the underground piping. At the very least that is going to cause a massive leak and probably catch fire. The last time a gas fire like that happened the Russians actually had to use a nuke to put it out.

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    Hey, Germany, France, you’ve both had the bright idea of “we have the strongest military in the world, let’s fight everybody at the same time”, mind telling us how that went for you?

    Fr though, I’m struck by how fucking stupid this guy routinely is. Like, history is filled with people making this same stupid decision over and over. If it could work well, surely it would have at some point by now.

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      Very different situation for America. France and Germany had to contend with neighboring armies. At the moment, Europe isn’t going to cross the Pond and start shit if we take Greenland. Europe is barely standing up to the Russian monster in their backyard, they’re hardly going to defend our backyard.

      All this talk is to soften the blow when we do the deed. Global warming makes Greenland prime real estate. As it warms, prospecting and mining become easier, and it will soon guard year-round Artic sea lanes. With enough warming it may become attractive for farming and living space.

      The US is taking Greenland as soon as they feel the situation in Venezuela is under control. Said situation will never truly be under control, but they seem to have ignored their history lessons.

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        Ukraine is not part of the EU or NATO, Greenland is. If Greenland gets invaded all of NATO members would be on war against the invader, leaving Russia to take any other countries they want to. And while America is stronger than any single member, it would have trouble fighting all of them, especially because if that war erupts lots of people in the US will be against it, so you would have to fight your own population.

        That being said, I don’t think US will invade Greenland, I think all of that is grandstanding and trying to move the attention away from Venezuela, Palestine and Ukraine.

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          Said earlier that the US would watch NATO mass forces in real time. Surprise attacks by nation states are long past. What does the US do in that case?

          That’s the scary part. If the rest of NATO responds, America will see it coming and justify a first strike. (Not nuclear though.)

          You have a point on fighting our own population. But there was strong anti-war sentiment before Pearl Harbor. If NATO comes together, well, just imagine the propaganda machine the administration will deploy. Everyone has already seen how susceptible we are to bullshit.

          And no, I do not share your optimism. Said in other comments, the lesson of Hitler failing to storm the Caucuses oil fields before opening the Western front was the beginning of his end. As soon as they think the situation in Venezuela is under control, for these monster’s value of “under control”, the US will waltz into Greenland utterly unopposed, with enough oil to take all comers.

          This isn’t some new distraction they dreamed up. Global warming is turning Greenland into prime real estate for mining, guarding newly opening Artic shipping lanes and with enough heat, lebensraum. Taking Greenland is a no-brainer from a purely strategic POV.

          Also, the fascists need to move fast while NATO/Europe is still dependent on American weapons, trade and tech. If they fuck around for even a few years, the EU will have become far more independent. (Go faster Europe!)

          Gods. Just realized that if shit truly goes down, the US will build an Iron Curtain across the Atlantic. We can pull tech, shut down shipping, utterly disrupt the continent. Imagine how Putin is gloating.

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            the US will build an Iron Curtain across the Atlantic.

            My goodness, you are so right!

            The problem is this iron curtain will keep expanding and keep invading.

            After Greenland, the next one on the menu probably will be the Azores, where America has a military base.

            This is imperialism at its peak and Putin is so overjoyed with all this mess.

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          It’s very unlikely that other NATO members would take military action against a US campaign on Greenland. They would almost certainly sit there and watch and then try to approach the conflict diplomatically. Many of these countries have US military bases on their own soil.

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          if that war erupts lots of people in the US will be against it, so you would have to fight your own population.

          Wishful thinking

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            A lot of people would be convinced to be against it by the same people who supported Trump: his billionaire friends. Do you really think that if this joke of a president start a war against EU (and, as sidenote, against NATO) services from Meta, MS and all the other American tech companies would continue as is ? Who do you think will be hit in the pocket ?

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              I don’t see that happening. They’re willing to sacrifice their direct business interests to usher in a neo-feudalist society. Look at Musk espousing the Trump government when the latter is openly anti-environmentalist while Musk sells EVs.

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                Yes, they are willing to do it but probably only up to a point, I don’t see them to accept so easily to lose their biggest market basically overnight.

                And once lost, I don’t really think they can get back

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    Geez, guys! Reading the comments makes me cringe.

    We are already in deep, complete madness (both us Europeans and Americans), there’s no need for more division and arguing.

    I understand that not all of Americans can take a gun and go out and start offing officials that are ruining everything, but there are alternatives that everyone can do and legally, or at least without ruining their lives.

    Big corporations and tech bro’s are all over Trump and praising him. And their goal is one: money, and how to get richer.

    So, start voting with your own wallet and strike them where it hurts. Run them dry!

    Have a Tesla or any products from Musk? Just sell the damn thing or get rid of it.

    Use US cloud infrastructure? Get rid of it and look for alternatives.

    Buy products that are made outside the US.

    Have Facebook or social media? Delete your accounts or search for alternatives.

    Using Google or Bing? Use alternative search engines.

    Using gmail? Drop it and use other provider.

    Using Netflix, Disney+ or any other streaming service? Just cancel the subscriptions.

    Have an iPhone, iPad or any other Apple product? Get rid of it.

    Are you an US soldier? Do you really need to contribute to an invasion of an ally that didn’t make any threats or hurt you in any way, ordered by someone who doesn’t give a damn about you or your family?

    There are plenty of examples and initiatives that you can do.

    I know for many of you it’s easier said than done. Does this solves the big problem that is Trump? Probably not.

    Does this solves the lunatics that are running the White House? Unlikely.

    But if everyone, both Americans and Europeans do their part by doing some of these things, this can make a ripple effect that definitely will make a dent in these big corporations.

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      I started doing all of that when Trump was elected. I switched from Windows to Linux Mint, got rid of Office 365, no longer buying stuff from the US whenever possible. Using Adblockers when I use Youtube and so on.

      It is not hard, you can take one step after the other and slowly get away from all the American stuff.

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        Exactly. These are steps that we can take to strike the US corporations. And we can do so legally.

        I use Linux on my machines. And even though I use MacOS for my MacBook Air and Mini, I’m figuring out if I should replace it with Linux as well.

        But I got rid of Windows, office 365 and gmail. I use Proton with custom domain.

        Cloud back up? I own my private backup in an European VPS.

        Also have my own Nextcloud set up in European VPS.

        Search engine? I use Qwant.

        Mobile browser? I use Vivaldi.

        Still use an iPhone but also bought a 2nd hand phone and flashed Sailfish OS in it.

        Yes, I do pay for some of these things but at least I’m not being tracked and I know I’m doing my part against these evil US Companies.

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      I’m sorry I have only one upvote for you. I wish I could give you way more. You’re right about this overall!

      I will mention though if you already own a device you paid for and it’s not making Apple any money you might as well keep it and use it until the end of its usable life.

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        Aw thanks!

        It seems what it’s logical to me. I’m seeing a constant battle between Americans and Europeans that does not help any of us in both sides of the pond.

        I totally agree with you about the devices. I’m still an Apple user and it’s not easy for me right now to get rid of my Apple devices.

        But I do have a backup phone. Just because Apple is one of the Companies supporting Trump and as an European, I know US Companies have kill switches on their tech.

        What if Trump says to start revoking accesses in Europe? Then my devices are just paper weight.

        I have an iPhone Air, but also have a phone flashed with Sailfish OS.

        Have both M1 Mac mini and Air. But will install Asahi Linux instead of using MacOS.

        But it’s the voting with the wallet that matters. Even if you can’t get rid of everything American. If you only can cancel 1 subscription, it’s worth it.

        In the end of the day, you are the ultimate person with the last word and decide (or not) to what to do in this matter.

        My goal is to not influence in any way. It’s just a simple suggestion.

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        Hitting them in the Money always hurts them, because it’s literally all they care about. Deny them one penny, and they go psychotic.

        America is a big place, and boycotts make them listen. Many CEOs have lost their jobs after a poor business decision backfired, caused a boycott, and the stock dropped. They truly fear that, because once the narrative takes on a life of its own, there is no stopping it, and something can go viral within hours, taking a company by surprise.

        Boycotts work, but the problem is that with so much consolidation, there are fewer and fewer companies to boycott. You can’t boycott everyone, or there would be nothing to buy or eat.

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    Stephen Miller always looks like a guy who is about to shoot up a crowd because he’s still mad about high school.

    Not his physical traits, just how he holds himself together, his body language says, “I have a gun and see my father in the face of everyone I look at.”

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      Oh yeah? What are you doing, brave keyboard warrior?

      Not a fucking thing, I bet.

      Oh, yes, confirmed for “not a fucking thing” in your comments below. So brave!

      You are every bit guilty of the very cowardice you are accusing hundreds of millions of strangers of (many of whom are doing something).

      “No need to” my ass, this bullshit is happening globally, not just in one country.

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        so it’s non-muricans who you expect to solve the issues you created by electing a fascist, racists, rapist, pedophile, convicted felon, TWICE into office?

        Wow talk about entitled…

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          Who liberated the concentration camps during WW2 again? Oh yeah that’s right.

          Nobody is expecting anything from you. What do you suggest a normal person do about this?

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            Who liberated the concentration camps during WW2 again? Oh yeah that’s right.

            Sowjet Union

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            ???

            You are the problem in today’s world dude (and have been for a while now)… in WW2 Canada kicked ass as well (actually way earlier than you did, Canada did not wait to suck France and England dry before joining) so your very old flex is barely coherent and definitely not apt at this point

            What do you suggest a normal person do about this?

            A very civil General Strike? maybe one of those cutesy “no kings” march but on a weekday? is that really too much to ask of you after you screwed the pooch this bad?

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          Wildly incorrect assumption, seems like you either did not read what I wrote or are trolling. In either case, you received more of a response than you deserve. Our interaction concludes here though, goodbye.

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        My family resisted the Nazis, some died for it others like my ancestors barely made it to Switzerland alive. None of them were cowards.

        You guys don’t do shit, live without health insurance and spend your last dime on the newest iPhone.

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            The American strategy: don’t be inspired by positives, look for negatives to bring them down to your level

            What is this question supposed to mean? Aside from making you feel better about your apathy?

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            No need so far, but I absolutely would if things ever take a wrong turn here like they did in the states.

            We even learn this in school here, you don’t stay silent during a fascist takeover.

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                “The right is winning all over the world” is right wing propaganda to make it seem an unavoidable certainty, as surveillance capitalism does. Sure there was quite a big push in that direction, but not everywhere and in many of those places there has been somewhat adequate pushback. Is the global political majority more right leaning than 5/10 years ago? Sure. Are the fascists winning everywhere? no

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            It’s even easier to find excuses to avoid even lifting a finger against the machine.

            Also, the US has exported its awfulness to most of the world, so it’s not like I’m immune. I’m just mad that I don’t have the same power to change things that Americans do, but then all I hear back is fucking whining

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                Sure, that’s fair enough. But what I don’t get is the defeatism. All the disdain, reject and call for action seems to come from outside, from the inside only memes, vague and cold “we need to organize” statements, and learned helplessness.

                I don’t blame you to be clear. You have been the victims of the most sophisticated and cruel manipulation machine the world has ever seen. But just fucking throw something and take your country and lives back!! (for legal reasons this is a metaphor)

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                  But what I don’t get is the defeatism.

                  Because you didn’t grow up here. You have no idea what it’s like. Be grateful that you don’t have to experience capitalism taken to its logical extreme. Basically this is the most successful experiment ever run for inducing executive dysfunction on a personal level.

                  Are you forgetting that insurance companies routinely deny medical care to people even after they’ve paid? I mean if that doesn’t cause people to burn it down then what did you expect to happen here

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      I don’t see your country bombing us either; so I guess we’re all cowards here.

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        That’s exactly y’all’s problem. You don’t care, about anything other than your immediate vicinity.

        To be clear, not because of something innate or inherent to being American, but because for at least two decades you’ve been manipulated into that position. But, honestly, sometimes your inability to break through sickens me

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    U.S. is now a bully.

    I hate bullies.

    I cheer when bullies get whats coming to them.

    Hope i can get out before the bombing begins.

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      Problem with "what coming to them " is they do alot of shit and destroy alot of lives well before “what’s coming” ever rolls around.