Again I come back to that it’s more socially acceptable to want to kill leftists in the usa than fascists.
OK but maybe no one should kill anyone?
You’re saying “OK but maybe no one should kill anyone?” on a post featuring literal Hitler?
Are you joking?
it was really uncivil of hitler to kill himself instead of entering into a debate
Nuremberg trials were just one large debate.
i mean, yeah kinda
If I were on a boat with Hitler, Mao, and Stalin, and a gun with two bullets, I’d shoot Hitler seven times and highfive Mao & Stalin as we sail together into luxury gay space Communism, the end.
I dunno if I’d rather shoot Hitler myself or hand the gun to Stalin.
But don’t you see? Shooting Hitler would make you just like Hitler.
No, shooting a Nazi saves lives, nothing the Nazis did was ever to save lives.
I mean, yes, but the joke is that Hitler shot himself.
Stalin would whip out his big spoon and eat the gun, best to get the job done before he has a chance
I wouldn’t be surprised. Great communist, he just has a tendency to eat everything. Like Pooh Bear in a world made of hunny.
I’d holster thr gun and do Hitler barehanded cause bullets ain’t free
Bro Mao Zedong killed as many people as ww2 😭
Hey can you give us a source on that?
I don’t think that’s a feasible hypothetical
“Killing is bad!”, I yell, while two SS guards put me on a train heading to the nearest Nazi concentration camp.
is that litteraly happening now?
yes
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You really need to interrogate your ethical beliefs a bit further.
Like you’ve been indoctrinated into a tangled framework of refusing to see the violence of the status quo - the violence that provides the empire with its wealth, the violence that preserves the sanctity of property and private fiefs, the violence that deprives the public of their survival needs, the violence that subjugates and marginalizes everyone who doesn’t fit into the ruling class’s machine, the violence that quickly crushes anyone who dares challenge this inequitable and monstrous system - as violence while simultaneously condemning everything that goes against it as violence. You’ve got the Hollywood movie morality system where the hero’s moral triumph is in refusing to enact vengeance, in refusing to permanently end the threat the villain poses (which may be conveniently resolved as the narrative contrives to see the villain simply die by happenstance, the hero’s goal accomplished but his hands unstained), and the villain’s moral failing is in breaking from prescribed methods of the status quo to accomplish some goal (especially when it sets up the villain as someone with a righteous cause or legitimate grievance who’s just “going too far” which then requires the swerve to make sure the audience starts rooting against them).
no one is forcing you to murder people, and my point is, no one should murder anyone
You don’t have a point. You have a false sense of morality
Unfortunately for us all, the entities with the vast majority of weapons and power are (and have been) doing everything they can to inflict violence upon the most desperate and vulnerable people in society. The people carrying out these actions cause very real harm, both in the forms of massively oppressive social violence and also outright physical violence. There is a very serious difference between the man who attempts to exploit and murder other human beings for his own gain and satisfaction - in this case, literally Adolf Hitler - and the people who use violence to overthrow that ruling ideology of unceasing human suffering.
In other words, it should be obvious now more than ever that we don’t live in a perfectly neutral world where the people who have all the guns are 100% neutral arbiters of peace, as much as I wish that were the case, and the people who are inflicting harm always have and always will use as much force as possible to continue their machinations of suffering and death. That being the case, the solution to the problem unfortunately necessitates something more impactful than “Killing is bad, don’t do it!”
I can appreciate the idealism, but this is regrettably not a valid stance, at least for the foreseeable future. You may find value in a book like Peter Gelderloos’ The Failure of Nonviolence(that’s a free full-text link)
I disagree that murder is a valid stance
Killing in self-defense isn’t murder
By what logic should we follow this guideline and what credentials do you have to make the argument?
bad bit
oppa gangnam style
I smell lib in hereDon’t ban the stupid liberal, they can be redeemed and gain understanding. If they cannot then everyone gets to have fun longer before checks notes toast.ooo defederates in defense of their upstanding nonaggression stance towards adolf Hitler.
I found a real whopper in their history https://hexbear.net/post/5834326
This exchange may be worse, or just a sign they are always the contrarian
https://lemmy.ca/comment/19271543
why care about things in the past like slavery or how Canada treated kids in the indigenous schools
Oh, so they’re just a troll
Can hope that but also seems like someone that doesn’t think history matters
Just browsed through a few posts really quick. They’ve got some serious anti-china brainworms, and really zero understanding of any socialist theory.
Ooh, I think I remember this one (although they do kind of just blend together lol)
I’m reading this as sarcasm and will delete them after all avenues of hilarity of discussion are exhausted
No seriously, let’s see where this one goes. It’ll be funny.
We’ll see at the end of the day
I back this notion.
Welp, he came back and doubled down. You can lead a horse to water, I guess
lol that rules. I’m glad he was given the chance to be incredibly stupid online.
I back this notion.
Damn I was all excited to read 50 comments about Wolfenstein
All this talk about Hitler in here but I’ve been looking at this picture for a solid 5 minutes and all i see is a shiny, shirtless BJ Blastowiscks
Yup. With just the most cathartic smile that could warm the most frozen of hearts. I wonder why he’s smiling such a nice smile
this is funny, but let’s try to emphasize the ‘no killing’ idea irl
The oppressed have a right to defend themselves.
murder is not defense
You’re exactly right!
When people want to kill your for immutable characteristics of your person, it is self defense to kill them first. It is no longer “murder”.
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If their beliefs are “you are subhuman, we need to kill you” they are welcome to change their beliefs. Or I will kill them. That is self defense. Get the fuck outta here with your fake morality
Okay, oppressor.
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social murder is still murder and you’d have us lay down and die
Yeah see because oppressors get to systemically starve people, manufacture crisises to sow mental health issues, deop bastions of pollution in your neighbors so you die to cancers and other health issues that arise, impoverish you so that you can’t afford to see anyone that can help any conditions that they helped cause to prevent your untimely death. The only moral response is to get on your knees and beg like a dog and deny yourself even a scrap of dignity praying they don’t continue to murder you and your loved ones in the dozens of ways that are socially acceptable.
Because fighting back is mean and makes you just as bad, and begging for mercy is the only moral response to a boot on your neck.
Edit: Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the violence they committed against Nazis?
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dang it I missed it, now I’ll never know what I could’ve dunked with
Killing someone who is in the act of trying to kill you is
Murdering hitler would be an act of defense holy shit dude
there’s no killing of someone who died decades ago
I’m saying you shouldn’t murder people whom are currently alive
So killing Hitler is bad? Even if he’s in a mecha suit and trying to kill you?
I won my game of WOlfenstein by debating Hitler in the marketplace of ideas
idmarketplacedebate
Amazing how that cheat code went hidden for 20+ years.
it would be extremely funny if this was the gg/suicide command
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now THAT would be an amazing video game
I mean videogames are one thing, lol. I’m saying not to murder humans whom are currently alive.
So if someone was approaching you with a knife with the intent to kill you and you had a gun, you’d just let them kill you?
no, i d run and call for help
You’re cornered, nowhere to run, nobody will answer your call. The person approaching you can’t be reasoned with nor frightened away. Its kill or be killed, what do you do?
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Good point, BJ should’ve just protested the Nazis in the police-marked protest zone with a sign featuring a zinger
to prevent the rise of Hitler and suppress the spread of fascism?
Killing nazis is the ultimate act of defense, there is literally no act of violence more justified than ending the threat of omnicdal maniacs
there are many acts more justied, like respecting the life of your fellow human beings
so its more justied to let a hate group who chose to believe in a genocidal ideology murder oneself or one’s “fellow human beings” for hateful, bigoted reasons rather than to pursue violent self defense?
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And what do you think saving them from murder is?
Murder is defined as an unlawful premeditated killing. Are you saying that the oppressed shouldn’t defend themselves with violence from an oppressive force which wants to murder them in a kill-or-be-killed scenario because it would be “unlawful” to do so?
What are you? A 12 year old hippie?
What do you think the army or the police are for? Legally mandated hugs?
Time to stop being a brunchie and grow up.
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I wonder if your comment history shows you standing up for immigrants or Palestinians or trans kids like you stand up for literal Hitler.
spoiler
It does not
Damn what a surprise, who ever could’ve seen that one coming?
They’re more upset over this than slavery 🙃
I’m saying no human should murder any human.
If you consider these groups to be human, as I do, then yes I am standing up for them, specifically becaise they are human, and they should not be murdered.
And what do you do with the humans who are relentlessly murdering mass numbers of other humans regardless of what you say?
Killing nazis is self defence when their entire ideology is “let’s create a society where we get to kill or enslave all minorities”.
Given that nazis want me dead I will always advocate that all nazis be killed and anyone that opposes that I will assume is probably also a nazi.
assuming how people think and identify is not a justification for murder
Absolutely nobody is going to cry over dead nazis dipshit you are just making yourself look like a clown. Even the nazis don’t cry over dead nazis they all fucking laughed and joked behind Charlie Kirk’s back lmao
Its fucking hitler. Are you absolutely tapped in the head?
I’m saying not to murder people who are alive, I’m not talking about people who died decades ago.
Hahaha how about no.
Especially involving fucking Hitler.
Hitler and the Nazis committed genocide against in no particular order: Jews, east Slavs (idk if this is the correct way to refer to Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians, it’s what Wikipedia used), Roma, Poles, Serbs, gay and transgender people, disabled people, and I’m sure many more. Actually I don’t know why that wikipedia list doesn’t include any black populations, even though they were victims of genocide in Nazi germany as well.
Any death of a Nazi is cause for celebration. Anybody in any of the above groups who kills a Nazi can justify it in self defense. As well as socialists and communists though I don’t list them amongst the other genocide victims since political persecution isn’t technically genocide iirc.
OK so killing Nazi children and their parents is self-defense?
You realize many people in these social movements do not have the freedom to identify as anything they want?
You have to draw the line when it comes to murder, on all sides, if you care about human life.
Jesus fucking Christ this post is about killing Hitler. The leader of the Nazi movement and head of the genocidal state.
Also this is ahistorical. Even at the height of fascism in Nazi Germany, in 1945 where the population had decreased and Nazi party membership was at its peak, 8 million people were members of the Nazi party and the total population in Germany was almost 70 million. Obviously it was possible to not be a member of the party. And this was after over a decade of indoctrination, youth programs, and mass murder on the part of Nazi party members from the top down to the rank and file. People did not have the freedom to identify as anything they wanted, but apart from those who had a literal or figurative gun held to their heads if they didn’t join, they didn’t have to be Nazis.
You have to draw the line when it comes to murder, on all sides, if you care about human life.
Yes, and if you care about human life you must draw the line somewhere after killing fascists. This is the obvious solution to the “paradox” of tolerance. If you want a society tolerant and safe for everyone possible, you must exclude those who make it intolerant and unsafe. And in this example, if you value human life, you must be willing to resist fascism by all means.
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That would be great, but imagine being in a war and you say to your enemy “how about don’t kill me?” It would be great to stop violence, but lynching Hitler would be self defense. The victims of genocide are not murderers when they defend themselves.
I’m not talking about not-murdering dead people like Hitler, I’m talking about not-murdering people who are alive.
What do you suggest the current victims being murdered by living versions of Hitler do? Passively resist as they are shuffled to the gas chamber?
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no.
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