Someone who is hardworking and disciplined enough to keep the same shitty job for ten years could easily make a partner happy and get satisfaction from a relationship. Too many people look at what other people have and let it make them feel hopeless when they should be looking at what they have themselves and let it make them feel empowered.
Comparison is the thief of joy.
I feel so much better when rather than looking at what others have and wishing i had it too, instead looking at what others lack and seeing if there’s anything I can do to help them attain it.
It helps me appreciate what I do have. There are people I love who want me around. It took so long to recognize, internalize, actually feel and experience that fact instead of just … knowing it in a distant academic sense like ‘sure yeah it stands to reason that this is true i guess but i have no proof’…
Until recently, i ‘knew’ that people cared about me and wanted me around the same way a person born blind can KNOW that the wavelength and frequency of the color Blue are 450 nanometers and about 666 terahertz (heh 🤘) respectively but not have an intrinsic experience of what it’s like to see it.
it’s nice actually being able to FEEL what i only previously just numbly heard about. and now all i truly want in the world, on the deepest level, beyond petty hedonic desires, is for more other people to know what it’s like to feel loved.
Comparison is the thief of joy
That’s amazing job stability for a waiter in a sushi place, if that’s real.
The cynic in me says that OP being lonely despite being so empathetic and easy to sympathize with is a rhetorical device.
But on face value, on the off chance that it’s real, it’s clear OP was a constant in the couple’s life, and no doubt a positive one since they kept coming back. It’s not just a sad story, because at least OP gets to be someone to someone else, and that’s something.
i mean, the japanese steakhouse my dad loved, they had most of the same staff from when they opened til when they closed 20 years later. we got to know the sushi chefs and everything, he was that regular.
And now we have shitty corporate places, isn’t it just fantastic.
We’ve lost our “village”, those third spaces that provided extended family and friends networks. American “self-reliance” has generated a separated society that has stripped a lot of the support and social network we used to have in favor of a job, a home separate from extended family, and a standalone family unit on their own against the world. Too hard to meet new people, too few clubs, too little money to get into a lot of hobbies, too little free time to spend it on anything other than rest and trying to stay sane.
We are slowly turning into Japan
I think I’m turning Japanese I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so…
You are, now work till 8 and get drunk with your boss later.
Fake: No way hes working for such a long time as a server in a sushi restaurant
Gay: Anon is probably gay in denial and therefore still single.
I thought it was fake because pregnant women avoid Sushi usually.
Most sushi places will offer basic Americanized asian dishes or non-fish rolls, though. I’m allergic to fish (not shellfish), but there’s always something I can eat when I go to sushi restaurants with my wife.
Relatable.
I’ve had a friend go through 3 long term relationships, get married and have a kid since the last time I went on a date.
This is a huge deal. Truly. Male loneliness in particular is a swollen lithium battery ready to be poked. I doubt it will be addressed correctly. I have no idea how to fix it and infinite empathy for anyone, male or female, going through this.
I doubt it will be addressed correctly
Anything you want to talk about, my dms are open.
Dude, I’m fine. I’m worried for others. Thanks, though!
I also wonder what a correct approach would be. When I was young, I was very lonely. It took a long time for me to realize that I was the problem. Actually, now that I think about it, what would probably help a lot is therapy being broadly available to anyone. Talking to other people, especially trained professionals, and listening to their opinions is so incredibly helpful. Only spending time inside your own head or online is super toxic and nothing good ever comes from that.
I know he’s a right-wing nut job now but I found Jordan Peterson really helpful in my youth. “Clean up your room”, “dress like the person you went to be”, “happiness is fleeting, and suffering requires constant meaning”.
His old stuff was simple and straight forward, good lessons for a lost young man
This isn’t a complete solution, but joining groups for interaction is a start. Book clubs, game clubs, sports, movie clubs, whatever it is as long as it’s social and in person. Put up a flyer on community noticeboards for an activity you like, alternatively.
Volunteering can also help. Being part of a community, being seen and contributing can make all the difference to starting the process.
This isn’t a solution to depression or any mental health issue. It’s a possible way to begin creating connection though.
oh it is not getting addresses correctly.
there’re many grifters out there taking advantage of lonely men - they promise turning into a chad and getting laid… if you just buy this course of mine and oh btw its a subscription model website.
then there’s 4chan and the infinite sea of incels with their various pills pushing people further into feeling like victims oppressed by women (a nifty distraction from the real problem of society’s constant push towards individuality and capitalism’s constant battle to destroy public spaces) and giving up on even trying to get out of their homes. once you see yourself as an incel being pathetic becomes a personality trait, and internalising that can make getting out of that hole incredibly difficult.
women obviously are also affected but their bonds between each other seem stronger, maybe because they are allowed to hug each other without being called slurs.
so yeah, the problem is being address in all the wrong ways. even the talk of man specific societal issues is incredibly rare outside of the grifter spun narratives to get you to buy their courses or reinforce your feelings of being pathetic.
most people are focused on women’s rights - which yeah, they should - but i don’t think those two issues are disconnected. after all, the more lonely the men, the more it’s the “women’s fault”, the more hateful they are towards them, the worse both problems get.
now how do we get out of this pit?
Just recently I was imagining a dating site that doesn’t use personal profiles, just randomly matches people with compatible age and gender settings (weighted by proximity and how long they have waited for a match) and trying to think through how it might work.
There would have to be a penalty for rejecting a match before setting up a date or for cancelling on them, such as a delay before being able to request another match (and maybe double the delay each consecutive time)
Anyway this would eliminate the whole ‘5% of men get 90% of dates’ thing (whatever the real numbers are) - after requesting a match eventually everyone would get one. There would of course have to be a report system for actual problem people. And likely straight women would get dates much faster (more frequently) than straight men, but still more evenly distributed.
I think it got poked by the right in the '24 elections and its continually stoked by social media. I hear there’s even a Luddite movement on response to it.
This is of course a vast oversimplification of a complex interplay of factors, but here we are, looking down the barrel of a political movement that’s taking full advantage of our isolation.
I feel for the lonely. I remember being alone.
Anyone who is going through this, you have to try. You have to put effort into yourself and get used to rejection. It’s not fun but if it’s important to you then it’s important to show up.
I didn’t have my first kiss until 26. I have a wife and two kids. Just so you don’t think it was easy for me.
Can’t.
I spent my whole life being told to not be a creep, don’t just go up to women they don’t want random men approaching them, they’re at the club for a good time with friends, etc.
So that only leaves online dating and I’m not a 10/10 so never get a match.
You’ve reduced your options to online dating or hooking up with club girls. I’d start by expanding those options.
So that only leaves online dating and I’m not a 10/10 so never get a match.
Bullshit. That’s just toxic internet culture talking. You may have to put some effort in your profile, but it worked for me and I’m a 6 at best.
From my experience online dating (as a man) is a complete waste of time. In about one year I got like 10 matches at Max and half of those didnt even had any form of somewhat decent communication.
I did put quite some effort into my profile but it didnt help anything.
Now since I switched sides I have gotten more likes in a single week than I got in a whole year just because I switched from male to female. I Am pre everything, so I dont even look remotely feminine and most of my pictures are kinda ass, but I dont really bother to make some good ones.
From my experience online dating as a man is either hit or miss. A friend of mine had luck with it several times, but at least for me online dating was the biggest waste of time of my life.
Been doing it for a few months now and no matches. Rejected 4 times in real life. Also, because of other preconditions my capacity for social interaction is very limited.
I hate when people say “just put in some effort”. I’m doing it, I’m giving it all I have but I did so for about 10 years now and I got nothing. I don’t hate the people that rejected me but this can’t be normal, and I’m not the only one.
I’m happy for people where it works out but I feel immense pain knowing I’m back to square one for the 4th time. And let’s not kid ourselves, 10 years going by doesn’t exactly make me more attractive.
How do you even know you are 6 at best?
So don’t be a creep, meet people as they are, don’t meet people expecting them to have sex with you
Work on yourself, go to therapy, get a hobby or read a book, join a reading group.
You have to be a part of a community to meet people. You can’t just hang out on the internet posting about how unfair it all is, and expect anything to magically change
take care
Online dating has also been poisoned by creepy dudes. A lady I matched to on Bumble told me that when she matched to some guy and when the dude realized they lived close enough, he wanted to have a quick one night stand with her. Now, this dude was supposedly a surgeon. So, it makes things difficult for all of us, who are looking for something more stable and long term.
I find it hard to find people though. I do my regular activity and hobbies and go about my life, I make friends but they’re mostly guys. I’m also not the type to ask every cute girl out. Idk, I still got one more year at school so maybe something will happen
School is a great place to meet people organically. Talk to your class mates. Even if they’re not a girl you want to talk to maybe they know someone.
Outside of school sadly dating apps are the only way to meet people. And they’re not good.
That’s just not true. Get a hobby. There are tons of people doing activities all the time in groups all over the world. Climbing, painting, sewing, there’s hundreds of thousands of activities you can do and people in every one of those groups.
Can confirm. I met both of my girlfriends (sequential, not parallel) at meetups for a certain online community. And I wasn’t even looking; it happened organically.
Turns out that if you go where people are basically guaranteed to share at least some of your interests, it becomes much easier to find someone you gel with.
Protip: Don’t go looking to find a partner, try to make friends. If one of those friends ends up dating you, so much the better. If none do, you still made friends and that goes a long way already.
And I wasn’t even looking; it happened organically.
This is the key.
Personally, I found work to also be an avenue to meet friends. You already share so much time together, it’s easy to build routines and find some common interests over time. There is less risk that in other settings, so if you don’t immediately click it’s no big deal and everybody likes a mildly positive and extrovert coworker (emphasis on mildly: either you strike up a conversation or you shield them from having to take part in one). Then friends of friends is the way to expand the circle
be the change you want to see in the world, and yourself
yea but have you done the sex?
Idk about you all, but I do the sex SO often, I have an entire drawer full of magnum condoms because I use them so often I need a stockpile
how did you meet?
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actual emotionally mature 4chan take, no way!
I mean, what do I do when everyone dislikes me, due to my innate quality? Life is so unfair sometimes…
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i mean in 10 years you’ve moved up from server to server, maybe focus on that first? you shouldn’t be hanging around in a low level job for any longer than you need to (unless you enjoy it then serve people till your hearts content)
I don’t know if you know this. but no one is promoting people to higher positions. at all. it could take decades to go from server to idk, shift manager? and often, it comes with no pay increase and less opportunities for tips. There is no forward progress labor has faced stagnate wages for decades. Also, the single most accurate metric to find out how you’ll be doing in life, is your parents zip code when you were born. so merit isn’t the thing that gets you moving along in life. in all likelihood the guy with the girlfriend, wife, kid, is making the same money his parents were making.
no one is promoting people to higher positions. at all.
Then your only job outside of serving is to skill up and go find a job elsewhere even if it’s in another category of work
Or? Maybe? They like what they do for work. They like the routine, they feel safe in the establishment. It keeps their needs and wants met.
Yeah that’s why I said
(unless you enjoy it then serve people till your hearts content)
Then he’ll need to figure some other way out, he’s a 31 year old server, it sounds like he should be talking to people all day anyway, surely there will be some woman or regular around he can chat to
But moving up in life job wise is a start, if you can’t even put yourself out there to get a better job then you might find putting yourself out there for a relationship even harder
I’ll see your indescribable emotion and raise you another:
I do not and have never empathized with this mindset. I understand wanting to help people and have a support network, but pairing up and breeding, like animals, to create an ever increasing amount of suffering just doesn’t do it for me. Seeing people express this strange longing and actually decreasing their own self worth as a result of not meeting the expectation they themself set, it’s a bizarre and hollow feeling.
Life is a lot more than suffering. There is a joy in human connections. Friends, family, partners, and children.
It’s alright if partners and/or children aren’t for you (even family) but its weirder to be entirely unable to empathize with a desire for human connections and life goals (which vary).
I understand desire for human connections and life goals, I just don’t understand envy for marriage and children. Those should result from a good thing going on, not be a primary motivator.
Why should human connection be degraded to that of simple reproductive urges? Why should life goals be so shallow and limited in scope?
I don’t think it’s healthy. I think it’s the monkey brain winning over rational thought. I think it’s a vestigial behavior.
I mean the good thing going is already implied via the years before.
Life goals vary by person. These may not be the entirety of their life goals but a representation of one that is attainable to many. A strong and happy connection with your partner to the point they desire a child with you enough to go through pregnancy and childbirth and raising a child is not shallow
Very few people reach celebrity or make noticeable impact. Participation in minor community improvement is about as much as most people manage and its ok to be content with that.
Of course you dont empathize because you arent empathizing. YOU think its suffering, but if you empathize with the person do you think they think of it as suffering? Love is beautiful and raising kids can be very rewarding.
It feels weird that your argument is “this world is devoid of suffering.” I just can’t accept that as good faith. In the vast majority of cases, your children will not thank you, did not choose to be a part of your animalistic urges.
Read his message a few times. There’s is nothing in it saying that the world is devoid of suffering. Also congratulations, you are a psychopath.
Also congratulations, you are a psychopath.
Nah, they just seem like your typical depressed anti-natalist.