Even with the best medical care, Hantavirus has a 20% fatality rate.
Let’s just hope that conservatives continue being so anti-vaccine… a few more pandemics with human-transmissible highly-fatal viruses and maybe we can get that socialist utopia that the right always cock-blocks us from achieving.
Just so everyone is clear, this is total bullshit — I understand MTG has had her broken clock moments but she’s still batshit insane.
This doctor was previously suspended for vaccine misinformation and now has a complaint against her by the texas medical board for numerous violations of professional conduct, including prescribing medication without ever meeting or examining a patient.
She filed a defamation lawsuit against the hospital which she lost. Ouch. Best of luck to her in keeping her certification, and in finding a new job! She should become trumps personal dr.
Nothing says ‘we learned nothing’ like speedrunning the exact same miracle-cure discourse all over again.
These people have blue check marks so they know what they are talking about
I really hope we don’t have a pandemic. Hentavirus has a 30% death rate. Being against masks, against vaccines, having fadigue of lockdowns would kill at of people
The new hot cure to hantavirus: bloodletting! Balance your humors and align your chakras with this one simple trick!
Ah, it’s refreshing to see her back to saying crazy bullshit again.
Yup, was scary finding myself agreeing with her for a while there…
Remember, she changed and began to agree with us for a short time. Our view never changed.
There is no doubt there are redcoats still sitting on warehouses full of this stuff, who couldn’t get rid of it “way back then”. These snake oil salesmen and purveyors of lucky charms expected to make millions from selling shit that doesn’t work. Not for viral control anyway.
And so by voice of king god donnie (kgd), it’s time to bring it back and MANDATE it (quick before it’s all out of date).
I wonder how many square feet of the “Big I” Mr. Wormbrain has left to get rid of. Or does he use it to actually deworm?
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My parents legitimately believe ivermectin is a cure all and are stockpiling it. They take it for just about anything. They also believe plenty of other wacky things like viruses don’t exist and cancer is just a fungal infection.
My dad last year nearly lost his foot after it got infected. They let it fester for months and only treated it with like essential oils or some other pseudoscience. He eventually had to go to the emergency room and stay at the hospital and receive antibiotics. 🙄
And immediately saw the error in his ways? Absolutely not. These people get sick to the point of dying. Go to the emergency room and get healed through real medicine and the efforts of a dozen nurses and a doctor or two. Then they leave and brag to their friends and family “see told you I’d be fine” and never give credit to the REAL medicine that fixed the issue.
“See? Told you I’d be fine.”
“Dad, you need to take off your leg to go through airport security.”
thanks Obama
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Many of my relatives are diehard MAGA. So, when Trump said not to wear masks or quarantine, my aunt and her husband and son went out of their way to basically spend every second they could at superspreader events. They were warned it was dangerous, not restricted in any way, but still felt the need to act out to validate political feelings.
Naturally, they all caught COVID in the early days. My uncle and cousin both passed, leaving my aunt as a devastated shell of a woman. When we would see each other at family dinners she would usually just sit with a far-off, forlorn look. Every once in a while she would tune in for a bit to spout some pro-Trump bullshit. I wanted to scream “He helped to kill your family!”
I decided to just stop spending time with these people before I said something I would regret.
But would you really regret screaming ‘he helped to kill your family’? I think it would be awesome … unless there’s a significant inheritance at stake.
The woman’s mind is broken. She’s a cult victim. If she’s not actively harming OP, why would being cruel help now? She’s already killed her husband, in her mind. She’s fucked already.
She’s already killed her husband, in her mind
Are you sure? Sounded like she might still be in denial.
I’m a bit baffled by the upvotes on this.
I get it, I’m also furious at the MAGA crowd, but, considering this actually happened, I just feel sorry for that woman.
Losing your family must be horrible either way and if that doesn’t make her reflect, do you think yelling at her will?
You wouldn’t yell at a mentally disabled person, I hope, that’s basically who you’re dealing with.
We’re mad and MAGAts deserve much worse than losing their husband and child.
The problem is that American politicians are gutting the school system because they WANT more mentally disabled people. “I love the poorly educated” - DJT. People like this lady, who will manslaughter their families for Trump, are spreading his propaganda. I don’t care how sad she is, if she’s spreading his propaganda and telling other people to go through the same tragedy. Someone needs to speak up and stop the cycle of pointless deaths.
Mentally disabled or not, these people are destroying the country. They are hurting lots of other people. They should know better. They have made a choice to be that way and refuse to change even with the brutal consequences made very clear. If they won’t see reason they deserve ridicule.
We don’t say ‘oh the poor Nazis, they were mentally disabled’ - no, we fought them and sacrificed big time to destroy their evil ways.If that mentally disabled person was killing people? Yeah, I’d yell at them. Other people dying doesn’t mean anything to these people because they don’t care about other people. The only thing they understand is themselves
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Thx mate. Deleted the clone. Or did I??!?!?
Good choice. There’s no getting them out of it without professional help. This is an identity cult. They identity is tied to his, that’s why their ego can’t take any hits on him. They explain everything away.
she would tune in for a bit to spout some pro-Trump bullshit
“Hey Marge, how’s the husband and son? Still dead? Still Trump’s fault?”
My dad literally will not talk to me because I refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure. He’s angry at me for some study or article that he thinks I am obsessed with (I honestly have no idea what he’s talking about), and insists I retract my belief in it or we can’t have a relationship. Since I haven’t the first clue what he’s even on about, he made his choice…
Can’t wait for the next round of crackpot email forwards. Hopefully he sticks to his word and won’t contact me anymore.
Edit - the last time I spoke with him was at my step mom’s funeral, where she had just died of cancer, which they treated with….I’ll give you one guess.
We aren’t dealing with rational people.
I guess I can somewhat understand his obstinance towards you. If he admits he’s wrong, he also has to admit he had a hand in killing his wife through willful ignorance.
Truth hurts.
Well at least she died free of worms.
refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure
What sucks the most is that ivermectin is a miracle cure! It just isn’t helpful again COVID or Hantavirus. The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded (in part) for discovering ivermectin.
It’s what frustrates me the most about discussion with people like this. They’re willing to take a random drug, a drug that is fully backed by the medical community, but they’re not willing to take the drug actually recommended by the medical community.
This is my favorite anti-anti-vax argument. You won’t take one medicine, here have another with the same medical backing 😂
I have a similar experience with my own father after he started using TikTok and Instagram, though it’s not about ivermectin (spoiler: he thinks I’m a “commie”). I think old people are just not equipped to survive on the internet. It’s like they lack the instincts to known when they’re being scammed.
It gives me a tiny bit of hope for the future, because even though gen alpha aren’t exactly the brightest generation so far, they’re at least all fully attuned to the internet and (hopefully) better equipped to navigate its many perils.
I think old people are just not equipped to survive on the internet
I think its people in general
During lock down when people were at home and having to amuse themselves some made bread and did arts and crafts, whilst others ended up jumping off a cliff into conspiracy theories and right wing bollocks
One guy I know of suggested ivermectin and dog dewormers to treat my bf’s cancer because ‘cancer is caused by parasites… there’s plenty of information on the internet… you can do your own research…etc etc’
I used to think the average person was mostly decent and sensible, but not anymore
Never underestimate the strength of small town loyalty, where obviously everyone knows better than a century-spanning corpus of medical research
Idk what the hell happened to baby boomers. When I was growing up my parents (boomers) constantly reminded me you can’t believe everything you read online and that the “girl” I was chatting with on AIM could actually be some fat 40 year old pedo.
That wasn’t uncommon, that was the same experience all my buddies had and same thing was drilled into us at school.
Now, I’m seeing these folks treat memes on Facebook like it’s the gospel truth. Or some random mommy blog post with zero references as straight facts. It’s so maddening … What happened to these people?
I’m also not talking to your father on behalf of you
There’s no getting them out of it without several things, namely their consent and will to change and professional deprogramming.
Send him Epstein files in return.
At least it’s not shungight. Viral medical trends are problematic when they get sold as cure calls, bad when it’s unfounded, worse when it’s half true. Poisons the well.
I guess I’m glad my father is only “ancient aliens” crazy after his TBI made him a trump supporter.
I guess I should be glad my TBI just made me super socially awkward and obsessive about weird niche topics.
I have an uncle who is basically a leftist boomer, but who is into that Art Bell kind of stuff. More recently he’s been getting into the “big pharma is keeping us sick” stuff and it’s really frustrating to see.
Damn, like Fetterman. Sorry that happened to your dad.
Fetterman was an asshole before he was on the national stage.
Same with my dad, although he was a fiscal conservative before just because he’s a financial advisor and Republicans are good for business.
Yeah that’s the song and dance
My mom died a couple years ago (she thought “vibration therapy” would cure her cancer), and when my sister and I were cleaning up her house to sell it we found so many empty bottles of ivermectin as well as other crazy stuff. It’s just the stupidest scam. Oh, medicine, biology, chemistry, etc is all bullshit, but horse medicine? Yeah, that’s legit.
My mother, a once slightly famous biochemist, died in December from influenza. Tragic that someone who had been a health nut her entire life (other than the 2 pack a day smoking habit she fostered from 11 to somewhere in her 40s) became a complete anti science loon as she got older.
She always believed in new age crap. She was confined that she could see auras and perform psychic healing when l was a kid. She’s the reason that I was dosed with ghastly spinach ‘smoothies’ instead of surgery to relieve the pressure on my brain after a TBI when I was 7.
But it ramped up massively in the information age. No longer relegated to fringe bookstores, her rampant need to be a keeper of the secret teachings was validated by a cadre of charlatans and lunatics online. She became rabidly anti-vaxx, except when forced to so she could travel to southeast Asia… right as lockdown happened in the US. Did she reconsider this ill conceived motion? He’ll no!
She managed her sky high cholesterol with a variety of herbs or whatnot. Same with blood pressure issues. Then had a catastrophic stroke not too long after that covid road tour. Never recovered and very likely was receiving poor care while sick with influenza.
What an incredibly stupid end.
It’s way too common of a story, sorry you had to deal with it too.
She was a cold, brittle narcissist. I went no contact a LONG time ago.
But thank you :)
At least your parents are free from intestinal parasites
Well at least they don’t have worm parasites.
It does work well for those things.
Start sending them articles about Steve Jobs and how he died.
Yeah but not a worm in sight!
IMO, this is one of the consequences of not having universal health insurance that isn’t talked about enough. If the bar for going to the doctor is “about to lose a limb from infection”, then people become vulnerable to pseudo-scientific garbage, simply because they hardly ever receive advice from actual medical professionals.
This is one my comment talking point. When people have to think about “can I afford this?” anytime they need to goto the doctor, then they’ll only go when it’s serious. But they are not qualified medical professionals to decide what needs medical attention or not. So they seek advice from other people, past experiences and Internet and we have this problem.
Honestly, it shouldn’t cost that much to just goto a doctor’s office and return. We don’t need MD for everything, have other professional people there that are qualified enough to tell you when something doesn’t need attention, or simple solutions. Maybe just cleaning a scrap, or giving you a brace for minor sprain, all those without having to see MD.
I have a lump that my doctor recommended I go see a specialist for a look. But I am waiting for my insurance to settle the bill / or wait to be able to afford both bills.
We need to go back to printed almanacs
Great point. Hard to trust doctors when it’s $500 to not find anything over and over and over and over.
100 % this. Also maybe overall education quality as well?
Agreeing about universal healthcare but adding sufficient PTO to go to the Dr.
You should not need to use vacation days to visit the doctor. Or to recover from an illness.
You should not have to be ill or have to explain why you need to take a day off. Just have sufficient undesignated PTO to maintain good mental and physical health.
What about ‘unlimited’?
My US doctor is pretty good about telehealth visits. I can send them messages online, or schedule video appointments for certain things. it makes it much easier to get questions answered or schedule visits with some more flexibility. I know many states still don’t allow any medical access via phone/video/online.
In Mexico, I can ask questions and talk to my doctor over Whatsapp. I don’t need to log into a healthcare website to ask for the minor requests.
The US is such a backwards place and the healthcare system is incredibly broken.
Thats my deal. I have
Add to that the pleatora of fraudulent TV doctors
I agree with you 100%. When the prospect of a health emergency or chronic condition means bankruptcy, people can’t help but look for alternatives.
Under a capitalist system where anyone can sell ‘supplements’ and any other random ‘treatment’ under the radar long enough to make a quick buck, misinformation abounds and the desperate roll the dice.
Health care isn’t just that. It’s what keeps families together, it’s what keeps communities together, and it’s a tragic farce that too many of us see it as a privilege and not a right.
That’s a really good point
Vaccines are often free here
That’s great, but I’m talking about broad coverage of health care needs and a general habit of seeing a doctor when you’re sick, injured etc.
Many of my fellow Canadians fell for that shit, and they have free access to doctors.
(Not all of them, because our healthcare system is weirdly understaffed, but many of them)
I noticed Canada is recruiting healthcare professionals from the US, and one of the things they really like is being able to provide healthcare without the middleman insurance companies denying healthcare.
The bar for a lot of us is also at “about to lose a limb from infection”. The only difference is that we don’t get a hospital bill to go with that visit.
I wish I loved something as much as conservatives love Ivermectin.
You do, it’s either self hosting, Linux or socialism
Why not all three
Self hosting your socialist Linux app.
There we go!
Damn, I’m 2 for three. One day I’ll have the spare computer to self host something.
tinkering with the linux homelab on which u host ur socialist lemmy instance while wearing thigh high socks and a collar and a maid outfit and being forced to take a break from ur tinkering by someone queer dragging u into bed using a leash
accurate description of the average lemmy user (myself included (i wish))
I love not having worms in me exactly as much as I love ivermectin, basically a miracle drug for that. They must be getting the dosage wrong tho because they’ve clearly got brain worms.
In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.
18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That’s just the ones we know of.
One thing we know for sure is that ivermectin is about as magic as they say it is for parasites only. It’s a fantastic drug for that.
Over 60% of low income citizens would likely feel much better after getting their parasites removed from ivermectin. So what they are seeing, seems true. They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.
This ivermectin religion has real miracles, it’s just not the ones they think they are. This belief is entirely created because Americans don’t have healthcare. That’s why this belief isn’t found elsewhere.
Doesn’t even need to be eliminated parasites.
“I am solving the problem by taking the medicine, and I am smart because I’m using a secret medicine they don’t want me to know about” causes the brain to release the good feelings chemicals which does make you feel better.
In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.
In Estonia it’s sorta the same except a visit costs nothing for the GP and 20 euros for the initial visit to a specialty doctor (subsequent visits are free).
We just don’t go to the doctor because we’re stubborn as fuck and “it’ll heal on its own”.
Not if you don’t rub some dirt in it first it won’t
They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.
Pretty much this, although it seems freeing the immune system from fighting the worm infection really does help it in fighting the Coronavirus infection: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted (Ctrl+F “The Synthesis”).
TL;DR: Studies showing a positive effect from Ivermectin on Covid came mostly from areas with high worm infection incidence, areas with low incidence showed no or smaller positive effect.
NB: Link is a selfhosted Substack, works better with JavaScript turned off.18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
What the fuck? Have you a source for those numbers because they’re shocking
Hmm looks like some stats I pulled were from polls, and I fell victim to people paraphrasing that around 20% of rural people not having a primary care doctor in the last few years as “not even having seen a doctor” sorry about that.
40% of Americans haven’t seen a doctor in 5 years: https://studyfinds.org/americans-avoiding-the-doctor/ https://www.aarp.org/pri/topics/health/coverage-access/health-care-rural-america/?
But the limited stats on primary care and a lot of self reporting is very bad.
62% parasites infection: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.10.23284404v1.full
Typing in “southern united states rural primary care access” in Kagi has a lot of sad results.
You got the fucking receipts
Thank you! They are some wild numbers.
I haven’t seen a doctor in at least a decade and a half, when my parents took me to checkups as a child. I’m very lucky to be healthy, and am in the gym 3-5 days a week to keep my streak going as long as possible.
However, I’m calling bullshit on this:
A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That’s just the ones we know of.
That sounds insane to me. 60% is a motherfucking epidemic. Where’s the source for these studies???
It’s extremely common in Africa. My ex who was Zulu hated that you couldn’t get deworming here. Ignore the fact that in Ontario you aren’t getting worms. She brought her misconceptions that KZN is like here.
I haven’t seen a doctor in at least a decade
How do you handle vaccines?
I don’t get vaccinated regularly. Covid was an exception, and I got that at some medical place that was offering them for free (In hindsight idk what type of business they were, but the dude who injected me looked like a real doctor)
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